The New Rules for Tipping

While most of us agree that 20 percent (or close to it) is the standard amount to leave on a restaurant check, other tipping-related matters leave us scratching our heads. To settle these debates once and for all, Steve Dublanica, former server and author of the blog Waiter Rant and recent book Keep the Change: A Clueless Tipper’s Quest to Become the Guru of the Gratuity, weighs in on some hot-button issues.

1. SHOULD YOU TIP ON THE TAX?

On one hand:
There’s no reason to tip on the tax. The restaurant doesn’t get to keep tax money. When gratuity is automatically included on a check for a large party, it’s added pretax.

On the other:
When most servers total their sales at the end of the night, they include the tax in the amount. This “cash-out” amount determines how much they tip out to busboys, runners, and other staff members. By not tipping on tax, you’re stiffing them out of their fair share.

Steve’s verdict:
“I like it when you do, but you don’t have to tip on the tax.”

2. WHAT IS THE CORRECT AMOUNT TO TIP ON DRINKS?

On one hand:
Twenty percent is way too much — it’s just a drink! The standard in most bars is $1 for each beverage or 10 percent, which generally adds up to $1. Bartenders are tipped out by other members of the staff, so they are walking away with plenty of money.

On the other:
Bartenders do more work than servers because they’re the ones actually making the drinks, not the server. They deserve the full 20 percent.

Steve’s verdict:
“[At the bar] you should leave 15 to 20 percent of the total cost of that drink, which may seem kind of ridiculous. But think of it this way: At the table, you’re paying 15 to 20 percent. Why does the bartender not get that money, but the waiter — who doesn’t make those drinks — does?”

3. DO YOU ALWAYS TIP YOUR BARISTA?

On one hand:
Yes. They’re skilled workers and deserve tips just as much as other food-service employees.

On the other:
Baristas make a decent hourly wage, unlike servers, and they don’t work for tips. Besides, what’s the point of tipping them if they don’t see you put the money in the jar?

Steve’s verdict:
“I learned when I worked as a barista that if you get a cup of coffee and give us the change from buying that cup, we’re really grateful. But I’ve seen people order one of these frothy iced milk latte-type chemistry experiments — which can be more complicated to prepare than a martini — and then not tip. For baristas who make you one of these, tip a dollar.”

See also: 13 Things Your Barista Won’t Tell You

4. WHEN, IF EVER, IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO LEAVE A BAD TIP?

On one hand:
Never. Even if your server really, really screws up, the tip money is being distributed to multiple employees of the restaurant. If you’re unhappy with your server, it’s not fair to penalize the busboy, bartender, food runners, and other employees who depend on this money to make their living.

On the other:
It’s OK to leave a bad tip if you receive bad service. It’s your right as a customer, and it will send a message of displeasure to the restaurant.

Steve’s verdict:
“I don’t suggest stiffing servers on the tip, because you are punishing all the other people connected to that food chain. I tell people to talk to the manager and say, ‘I had very poor service, but I’m leaving a tip anyway.'”

See also: 20 Secrets Your Waiter Won’t Tell You

5. SHOULD A SERVER BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDE GRATUITY IF IT’S NOT A LARGE GROUP?

On one hand:
Yes, in certain cases. Many tourists from other countries don’t understand the tipping protocol in the United States. Servers have a right to protect themselves.

On the other:
It’s outrageous for a server to include the tip unless it’s a large group. Legally, servers don’t have the right to make the customer pay any gratuity.

Steve’s verdict:
“If you were to include a service charge automatically, you would have to tell everyone who walks in that you’re adding a 20 percent service charge. I don’t support waiters deciding who they’re going to attach a tip to. That’s not their job — that’s management’s job — and they need to have a very well thought-out policy about why they’re doing that.”

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118 thoughts on “The New Rules for Tipping

  1. Wow! ALOT of very entitled guests! I’ve been in the service industry for 20 yrs, serving and bartending, and just a note from the incorrect article above, bartending isn’t harder, it’s actually much easier than serving, but bartenders profits are much higher. Wow, if all of you could work a day in our shoes and really hear yourselves. Some of you who have obviously never been in the customer service/service industry don’t know that’s it’s actually a REAL job. My co workers have families to support, mortgages, and bills like everyone else. We work incredibly hard to make the guest experience pleasant and memorable, and not just SERVE as is the job. Im sure I speak for lots of us when I say we go above and beyond only to be degraded and not tipped for our hard work. More times than I can count I’ve actually paid out of pocket to wait on tables. The tipout to the bartenders steep ( we tip on all sales food included, not just the drinks they make, as well as get their ice, run their food get glassware to them and anything else to help as its a huge team effort to give all diners a great experience) I don’t add gratuity if I don’t feel I’ve given my best service ever, and now with the new tax laws I won’t be adding it at all, as we are charged and receive only about a third of that gratuity again costing us money for the “pleasure” of dealing with self righteous, menu modifiers, order barkers, finger snappers, down right jerks who seem to forget that they are not our only table crisis or concern, all with a smile and efficient service. Remember we are SERVERS not SERVANTS or entertainers for that matter. Please if you’ve never worked in the industry don’t give your opinions on the matter. Guests seem to be increasingly more demanding and narcissistic remember we are people just like you, with financial needs to be met, most of us with college degrees, that didn’t help find that dream job or some of us just enjoy doing it for the truly kind guests that are out there, our regulars, our friends, the great people who keep our business afloat and for them we are truly grateful. As for the rest well I can only say I hope you do your research on behavior, and do some reading online there’s plenty out there on how to behave when dining, best for all parties involved. Despite what you may have heard the customer is most definitely not always right but we will continue to treat you as such, because that’s what we do. Please to all the kind guests keep up the good work or really just continue to be HUMAN! As for the rest. Learn restaurant etiquette and how to treat your equals. Thank you all for your time, again for the uneducated on the subject, there’s plenty out there now actually saying “bad guests create bad service” not to mention its just plain rude. Have some manners and tip appropriately, if not please enjoy all that fast food has to offer.

  2. I don’t know that I’ve ever gotten a satisfactory explanation of why the gratuity % keeps increasing. The amount of the gratuity rises in absolute terms as the price of the meal rises, in addition to the fact that minimum wages keep going up.

    (I understand that the federal minimum wage for food service is something just over $2.00 an our which I find criminal btw and I wouldn’t live in a state like that)

  3. You should definitely leave a poor tip if you receive poor service. What is the point of tips then?? If everyone always had to tipped, it would be a hell of a lot easier just to get rid of the tip system and bump up the wages for servers and eliminate the whole system. The whole point of the tip system is that it gives the server an incentive to provide good service. But also note that in that countries like Japan, where tipping is unheard of, service is far far better than it is anywhere in the US.

  4. this is ridiculous the servers have to deal with customers clean up after customers and yes at the end of thr night the servsrs tip deveryone out so the tip should be 20% or more because they do deal with a lot of bs and hard work. ive done both serve and bartend and if the server makes more she or he will take care of the bartender with their wages

  5. Don’t force patrons to handle your payroll costs.
    Ban tipping.
    Pay a proper wage and charge a proper price.

  6. You stay at home and eat, and free up space for a guest who respects my position, appreciates my service and tips appropriately.

  7. Please do not use anecdotal stories about foreign countries. In Europe, Japan, Australia and other modern societies, the servers are recognized as having a challenging job which requires a huge skill-set and paid accordingly ($20-$30/ hr.) Here, we are considered “trumped up servants”  who have to rely on the generosity of strangers to feed our family and pay our bills.

  8. Mr. Winslow, based on your comments, I pity your significant other. You are a greedy, selfish, bastard with no sense of community, compassion or justice.

  9. What is with all the judgemental people on this site!! I have a BA, graduated cum laude, and in the current economy, I cannot make a decent wage at a starting position offered by my degree. So here is my tip to you: shut your mouth and tip your server.

  10. Every establishment has rules, regulations and policies that as a server, we must follow. Guess what! Most often we are required to place your bill before you are finished. Specifically, my current employer requires that I place the check, “before the slowest diner is half-finished with his/her entree if no dessert is requested or place when delivering requested dessert.”

  11. I tip a set dollar amount.  $5 for lunch.  $10 for dinner.  $1/drink.  That is MORE than enough.
    If you can’t manage 4 tables an hour – you probably need a different job.  If you can manage 4 tables an hour – you get $20-$40/hour.  Seems excessive really…

  12. Wow, these comments are all over the board. Bottom line is wait staff do expect and for the most part deserve tips and are paid a minimum minimum wage because of this. My wife and I round the bill up and always tip 20% plus. We are not wealthy but what does the extra dollar or two mean to us versus a kid in school or a single parent? Don’t eat out if you can’t afford to leave a well deserved tip. I agree with the commenter that talking to a manager is a better alternative than stiffing the waiter, but I would reduce the tip to 15%. We had a server at a family style restaurant and through a series of short conversations as he brought our food found he was a college student working his way thru school. He was a great waiter and could not say enough about how great the restaurant management was to allow him flexible hours to fit his schedule. The bill was $50ish, we left him a $100 bill and told him we hope it helped with his studies.

  13. This article is useless when it comes to how you should tip a bartender. You DO NOT tip a bartender based on a percentage. In places like New York or Los Angeles this might make some sense because the drink prices are much higher. I live in New Orleans where 2 and 3 dollar beers are common, and bartenders make about 5 dollars an hour. If you tip anything less than a dollar per drink, then you’re seriously screwing over your bartender and will be treated accordingly. 1 dollar per drink, minimum. If the drink is something more complicated and high maintenance like a specialty martini or anything that requires muddling or a blender, then 2 or more per drink is appropriate.

  14. you go to a restaurant and the waitress brings you a burger and fries, the guy at the table next to you orders a steak with baked potato…….. your bill is under $10 but his bill is closer to $25….. the effort to bring both orders is about the same……. yet his tip should be twice that of mine…Why? there was no additional effort……that’s why this tipping on the value of your check is bull crap!

  15. Who the hell is Steve?
    Bad service…you get no tip….this is not hurting the busboy, bartender, food runners, and other employees, trust me they WILL get rid of a bad server and get one that increases their  tips.  

  16. Who the hell is Steve?
    Bad service…you get no tip….this is not hurting the busboy, bartender, food runners, and other employees, trust me they WILL get rid of a bad server and get one that increases their  tips.  

  17. I think the system needs to be changed.  I used to wait tables outside of Washington, D.C..  We were paid slave wages.  If we didn’t get at least 15% tips from all customers, we didn’t make a decent living.  In places like Berkley, CA, the waitors’ hourly wages are over 5 times as much as those in VA.  If they don’t get tipped fairly by every patron, it isn’t anything to cry about. The restaurants need to inform the customers in writing what situation exists or the tipping system needs to be banished.  Set a decent wage for food servers.  You could include an exception for the fancy restaurants.  Those patrons tend to view the waitors’ duties differently. 

  18. Guess what Steve, if I do not leave a tip because the server was rude or otherwise terrible, then the other staff can just deal with it.  If they want to gripe about anyone, they should take it out on the server who slammed my plate in front of me, treated me like an annoyance when I politely ask for more coffee, or was otherwise rude or obnoxious.  I used to work in restaurants and I value professionalism and courtesy, and  I’m a generous tipper when I receive such.  However, I refuse to reward ill mannered, grouchy, rude people, nor will I return to an establishment where I have be treated that way.  The person the other staff should blame when they lose out is the server with the poor people skills and bad attitude, not the customers who are the reason they have a job.

  19.  I was a waiter for many years, but the system is corrupt. Because I was in the business and can empathize, I tip very well, but in reality the money that some make for doing what is essentially an unskilled task (ok, so being quick, obsequious and yet not always underfoot is a skill, but not not much of one) is obscene; I used to bring home 200-300$/night when I was 18.

    Restauranteurs use tips as an excuse not to have to pay employees anything, there is a hierarchy of tables within a restaurant so that some may be making huge every night while others don’t; servers are supposed to tip out bus boys 10-15% yet they rarely do, the old stand by, “I’d like to give you more but it was a slow night” is always a winner since the server alone knows how much they made in reality. So Old “Steve” the waitron giving advice about “etiquette” from the servers’ point of view is totally disingenuous; as a general rule, having worked both sides, I know that waiters and waitress are themselves cheap when it comes to tipping out.

    This article just perpetuates the idea that tips are something you owe for the luxury of having someone bring your plates out to you from the kitchen, which is something the restaurant should be covering since without foo delivery they make nothing. It would be far more realistic for the task, and a whole lot cheaper for those dining out, if the servers were paid like other jobs and the cost just a part of the cost of the meal, not added on like a tax.

  20.  I was a waiter for many years, but the system is corrupt. Because I was in the business and can empathize, I tip very well, but in reality the money that some make for doing what is essentially an unskilled task (ok, so being quick, obsequious and yet not always underfoot is a skill, but not not much of one) is obscene; I used to bring home 200-300$/night when I was 18.

    Restauranteurs use tips as an excuse not to have to pay employees anything, there is a hierarchy of tables within a restaurant so that some may be making huge every night while others don’t; servers are supposed to tip out bus boys 10-15% yet they rarely do, the old stand by, “I’d like to give you more but it was a slow night” is always a winner since the server alone knows how much they made in reality. So Old “Steve” the waitron giving advice about “etiquette” from the servers’ point of view is totally disingenuous; as a general rule, having worked both sides, I know that waiters and waitress are themselves cheap when it comes to tipping out.

    This article just perpetuates the idea that tips are something you owe for the luxury of having someone bring your plates out to you from the kitchen, which is something the restaurant should be covering since without foo delivery they make nothing. It would be far more realistic for the task, and a whole lot cheaper for those dining out, if the servers were paid like other jobs and the cost just a part of the cost of the meal, not added on like a tax.

  21. who said it should be 20%??? I have always thought it was 15%… I usually do 20% anyway, but thought I was being generous!  holy cow!

  22. The tip is inversely proportional to the loudness of the idiot music.

  23. The tip is inversely proportional to the loudness of the idiot music.

  24. Why do they keep raising the percentage???  Price of the meals keep going up so that is a built in pay increase with tips.  Waiters/Waitresses all want to gouge the customer.  My max tip is 15% and that is if I get good service.

  25. I agree that restaurants should pay a fair wage and do away with tipping. Besides why do I have to pay more for someone to bring me a steak compared to bringing me a burger and fry?  It’s the same distance between table and kitchen.

  26. No reason the servers can’t get into a different profession if they don’t like their salary. I don’t tip anyone, ever. I pay for the service and that’s that.

  27. No reason the servers can’t get into a different profession if they don’t like their salary. I don’t tip anyone, ever. I pay for the service and that’s that.

  28. I pretty much have had it with the whole practice of tipping. Why should it be up to me to ensure a fair wage for a server? That’s up to the owner or manager of the restaurant. They should be paying their employees what they are worth individually. It would sure get them more involved in evaluating their people and the service they provide. The current system pays them all the same across the board – a percentage of the bill. Wrong! Let the boss decide, what a server is worth and let the both of them negotiate a fair wage, just like in any other work environment. Everybody in the business keeps harping on the “fact”, that it will drive up prices, if we abolish tipping. Fine – that’s what competition is there for.

    But, since nobody likes my stand on this, it has become a rare occasion indeed, when we go to a restaurant. There has to be a good reason to splurge (like a birthday celebration); other than that it is a little fast food, when necessary (like being on the road) and eating at home. 

    I wonder, what all the servers would do and say, if we all were to take them up on their demand, that we should stay home, if we don’t like tipping. How that would pay their bills. 

  29. I tip about 6% if he or she is lucky. Tipping is an absolutely absurd unspoken rule. If your service is worth X amount of money, CHARGE ME THAT MUCH. I certainly have never received any service that was worth 20 or even 15% of my bill.

    1. What the hell is the point of leaving 6%? Are you trying to make yourself look bad or are you just that ignorant?

  30. Since when do servers or ex servers get to dictate the tip percentage. Not too many years ago the expected tip was 10% then servers began to expect 12% then 15% now 20%. The customer decides how much if any to leave. Dont ask me if I want my water glass refilled just do it and stop interupting the conversation ongoing at my table.

    1. It’s common courtesy to ask before refilling a drink. What if the person doesn’t want anymore, or what if they want something else? A customer like you would probably snap their fingers and expect you to run over to them I guess.

  31. 1. I don’t think I will ever understand why the restaurant industry can get away with paying less just because of tips.  Should mechanics, doctors and mailmen have their pay reduced so they have to live off of tips.
    2. I think families with unruly children should be charged extra on their bills!!

  32. Tips are not and should not be manditory.  Also, 15% is the norm not 20%.

    Sorry, if service is poor I reserve the right to lower my tip.  It is not my problem that they share the tips with others.
    The store should provide a living wage and it should not be subjected to gratuity.

    1. Wrong. 15% is NOT the norm. The “norm” is about 18%, but 20% is really what should be left.

    2. Wrong. 15% is NOT the norm. The “norm” is about 18%, but 20% is really what should be left.

  33. The recommended tip used to be 10%, then it became 12%, then 15%, now you say 20%.  The price of the meals have increased over the years, which incresed the dollar amount of the tip with the SAME percentage.  Does this mean in a few years it will be 25% and eventually 50%?

  34. I was in Spain and Portugal last November 2011. The servers there don’ t expect tips. But if you feel like tipping, it should be just 5%. Why should tips be tied to the amount on the bill?

  35. I was in Spain and Portugal last November 2011. The servers there don’ t expect tips. But if you feel like tipping, it should be just 5%. Why should tips be tied to the amount on the bill?

  36. I was in Spain and Portugal last November 2011. The servers there don’ t expect tips. But if you feel like tipping, it should be just 5%. Why should tips be tied to the amount on the bill?

  37. I was in Spain and Portugal last November 2011. The servers there don’ t expect tips. But if you feel like tipping, it should be just 5%. Why should tips be tied to the amount on the bill?

  38. I was in Spain and Portugal last November 2011. The servers there don’ t expect tips. But if you feel like tipping, it should be just 5%. Why should tips be tied to the amount on the bill?

  39. I was in Spain and Portugal last November 2011. The servers there don’ t expect tips. But if you feel like tipping, it should be just 5%. Why should tips be tied to the amount on the bill?

  40. The thieves aren’t the customers who don’t tip. It’s the business/the owners. They imposed this on the customers, yes imposed by paying the servers a measly $2.50/hour so we have to pay the rest of their salary. I’d rather pay $10 for a salad than $5 and feel pressured to tip.

  41. The thieves aren’t the customers who don’t tip. It’s the business/the owners. They imposed this on the customers, yes imposed by paying the servers a measly $2.50/hour so we have to pay the rest of their salary. I’d rather pay $10 for a salad than $5 and feel pressured to tip.

  42. AND ALWAYS TIP YOUR PIZZA DELIVERY DRIVER, WE GO THROUGH BAD WEATHER, RISK ROBBERIES AND DRIVE OUR OWN VEHICLE. MUCH MORE INVOLVED THAN WAITING TABLES, BUT PROBABLY EASIER!

    1. Find a better job.  Most time we pay a delivery fee.  We can not help it if the owner does not give you the delivery fee.

      1.  Hey cheapo, it says right on there they dont get the delivery fee, it is a known fact ,your supposed to tip for  personell service

  43. It’s funny when I look at the need for tipping…
    Is it a norm to tip?  If yes , who created that norm?  I believe tipping is a way of shaoing appreciation to the server / bellboy / cook etc… for the service received.  The server should be getting his/her wages based on government regulations and not based on a couple of dollars per hour, much below guidelines.  Imagine a $500/- bill and $100/- for a tip? Am I missing something?

  44. Dear Kelly Dobkin,
      If you wrote this, you should be really ashamed of yourself. The fact that “Reader’s Digest” published ‘your’ article is even more absurd. 

  45. What about hair dressers.  I am so tired of them expecting tips and then opening million dollar salons.  I do not tip them anymore.  If she wants $30 for a hair cut and I think its worth it I will pay it.  If she wants $35 and I think its worth it I will pay it and so on.  Same with dog groomers.  What are they going to do if I do not tip,  give me a bad hair cut? I know I am not alone in this.  Oh and same for manicure/pedicure.  My mother gave a $2.00 tip for a $20.00 pedicure and the girl (from another country) ridiculed her buy showing her a five was what she expected.  I gave a hairdressor 2- $20 dollar bills for a $28 dollar hair cut and she asked if I needed change.  Are they crazy.  I like what one grooming salon said, Tips are appreciated but not expected.

  46. I generally tip 20ish percent as long as the services is good, less if not.
    Both my wife and I have worked in the service industry and understand the importance.

      What irks me though is, in my day, 10% was the accepted amount to tip, now people feel they are entitled to 20%. Prices have gone up considerably, so the meal I served may have come to 20 bucks, and a 2 dollar tip was considered acceptable.
    Now that same meal would cost 30 dollars, and the tip should be 6 bucks? So the average person is getting hit with inflation twice…
      Sorry folks, that’s BS.
      I tip 20% because I can afford to now, and I feel good about it. 
    However, if I still made minimum wage, and was on a ‘special’ night out, having a dinner far beyond my ‘normal’ means, that 100% inflation in tip could mean the difference on whether I eat lunch the next day or not.
       
      I tip according to what I can afford, and what your service was like. I have left a 20 dollar tip on a 25 dollar check, because they staff were fantastic and the meal divine.
      I have also stuck to the 10% rule, because the service was crappy, but I always leave at least that 10%, because I know it’s not the entire teams fault… sometimes it the server, sometimes the cook/chef/bartender, whatever… 
      I may be getting old, and a bit more conservative each year, so take it how you want, but there’s my 2 cents worth.

      (Login is not working, guess I’m posting as Guest today)

  47. I generally tip 20ish percent as long as the services is good, less if not.
    Both my wife and I have worked in the service industry and understand the importance.

      What irks me though is, in my day, 10% was the accepted amount to tip, now people feel they are entitled to 20%. Prices have gone up considerably, so the meal I served may have come to 20 bucks, and a 2 dollar tip was considered acceptable.
    Now that same meal would cost 30 dollars, and the tip should be 6 bucks? So the average person is getting hit with inflation twice…
      Sorry folks, that’s BS.
      I tip 20% because I can afford to now, and I feel good about it. 
    However, if I still made minimum wage, and was on a ‘special’ night out, having a dinner far beyond my ‘normal’ means, that 100% inflation in tip could mean the difference on whether I eat lunch the next day or not.
       
      I tip according to what I can afford, and what your service was like. I have left a 20 dollar tip on a 25 dollar check, because they staff were fantastic and the meal divine.
      I have also stuck to the 10% rule, because the service was crappy, but I always leave at least that 10%, because I know it’s not the entire teams fault… sometimes it the server, sometimes the cook/chef/bartender, whatever… 
      I may be getting old, and a bit more conservative each year, so take it how you want, but there’s my 2 cents worth.

      (Login is not working, guess I’m posting as Guest today)

  48. I generally tip 20ish percent as long as the services is good, less if not.
    Both my wife and I have worked in the service industry and understand the importance.

      What irks me though is, in my day, 10% was the accepted amount to tip, now people feel they are entitled to 20%. Prices have gone up considerably, so the meal I served may have come to 20 bucks, and a 2 dollar tip was considered acceptable.
    Now that same meal would cost 30 dollars, and the tip should be 6 bucks? So the average person is getting hit with inflation twice…
      Sorry folks, that’s BS.
      I tip 20% because I can afford to now, and I feel good about it. 
    However, if I still made minimum wage, and was on a ‘special’ night out, having a dinner far beyond my ‘normal’ means, that 100% inflation in tip could mean the difference on whether I eat lunch the next day or not.
       
      I tip according to what I can afford, and what your service was like. I have left a 20 dollar tip on a 25 dollar check, because they staff were fantastic and the meal divine.
      I have also stuck to the 10% rule, because the service was crappy, but I always leave at least that 10%, because I know it’s not the entire teams fault… sometimes it the server, sometimes the cook/chef/bartender, whatever… 
      I may be getting old, and a bit more conservative each year, so take it how you want, but there’s my 2 cents worth.

      (Login is not working, guess I’m posting as Guest today)

  49. FOR THOSE RESTAURANTS FEATURING ALL YOU CAN EAT, WHAT ARE THE TIPPING RULES FOR THOSE WHO JUST CLEAR THE TABLES AND FOR THOSE WHO JUST SUPPLY YOU WITH DRINK?

  50. I never met a person who worked and received tips who felt they were tipped enough.

    Bartenders make good money, and why should money be thrown at them for doing their job?

    waiters? waitresses?  they are food runners and little else. I don’t need them entering my dinner party with banter and phony cheerfulness.

    THERE IS NO TIPPING IN JAPAN.  READ THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN. NO SHAKEDOWNS, NO DIRTY LOOKS, THERE IS NO TIPPIING IN JAPAN.

    1. I got news for you. This is America, not Japan. Why don’t you go live there if you don’t care to tip?

      1. The point is this artical makes it sound like a tip is manditory.  News flash, it is not.

        1.  It isn’t but hope you like that spit next time you go in, I’m sure it happens

        2.  It isn’t but hope you like that spit next time you go in, I’m sure it happens

  51. 20% ACROSS THE BOARD IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE SERVICE IS. WE SHOULD ALL BE MAKING AT LEAST MINIMUM WAGE IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO PAY IT YOU SHOULDN’T BE IN BUSINESS AND IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GIVE THEM BENEFITS THE SAME THING IS TRUE. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF IT IS THE PIZZA GUY DELIVERY OR THE BEAUTICIAN EVERYONE GETS THE SAME FROM ME INCLUDING THE MAID THAT CLEANS MY HOME.   

    1. It is not my job to make sure you get at least min wage.  It is not my fault you are not able to make a living wage.

  52. How about the “invisible” people who provide services for us:  our newspaper carriers and hotel housekeepers – just to name two.

  53. Where I work servers and bartenders tip out the barbacks and food runners. We make 2.62 an hr plus whatever we make in tips. We make servers drinks and dont get paid for it. It’s part of the gig. But keep in mind we are not raking in big bucks, we make a little over minimum wage and most of us have 2 or more jobs to pay our bills. We are just trying to make a living not screw you out of money. If you don’t Wang to tip or can’t afford to, stay home!

    1. This is not a reason, simply because there are states that don’t allow servers to make below minimum wage. If you live in a state that allows employers to stiff you because they want to pay you less and have it legal than you need to change the law in your state. In California you will never find a server that makes less than minimum wage per hour, it is illegal. So, why then do people in California have to be pressured to tip? The point of tipping is to make sure your server breaks even, but over here they already break even. There is a point when it becomes ridiculous to tip unless there is a large group and a large order.

      1. No, the point of tipping is not to have your server “break even”.  The point of tipping is not about you trying to make sure the server gets a good wage or a bad wage or anything of the sort.  The point of tipping is to provide a thank you for good service or a statement of not acceptable for poor service.  It’s really quite simple to me, if I get great service I give 25%.  If I get good service or acceptable service I give 20%.  If I get poor service I give 10% and if I get terrible service I don’t give anything. 

        As for California, they are not the rule in hardly any discussion on how things work in America.  They are like their own little socialistic, strange country.  Never use them as an example of how to do things.  They are completely bankrupt after all.

      2. In this case, I see your point lsxlbahamust and shaunhzo. In California, the tip is already part of the fee for the table. Ergo, the waiters only have to provide “reasonable” service for his or her salary. I would agree with that. However, as you mentioned above, the law might need to be changed. Actually, its not for the “servers to break even”  as it is for the customers and the restaurant owners to not be charged exorbitantly. There is supposed to be nothing as slavery in America, but the principles and corruption of slavery occurs everyday and everywhere in America. Why? Because rich capitalists fail to protect or take in the human rights of the people they step on. And in a democratic system, the rights of the majority, even though wrong, determines the rights of the society. Therefore, people who get cheap service, the customers, outweigh by far the rights of the wait staff.. Common law supports the elite, not the masses.

    2. I tip 20% or more when service is good.  However when I read about mandates about tipping, then that gets my dander up.  Where I live, there are people that make 50k-100K working as a server.  I am sorry to hear how meager the salary is for you..  

      1. I didn’t see your newest comment here drillsgtmark.  Seems civil enough – and, I agree.

    3. Wrong, if your service sucks I will not tip you.  Tips are not manditory.

  54. I am tired of whiny people who work as servers in food or service industry.  There is absolutely, unequivocally no mandates to tip in any industry.  Nobody owes you a penny more than what the bill states.  If you don’t like it, don’t work in the industry.

    And if you did not receive a tip, review and see what you did wrong with your service.  The argument that you affect other people, is weak at best. If you have guilty feelings about what you could, should, or would have done, too bad,  Learn and grow and not repeat the error.  You know what you did right or wrong when you did not receive a tip.  Now you pay the price of your error.

    The business is there to make a profit based on what the bill states without consideration of a tip. And finally be happy you have a job, even if you don’t receive tips.  There are at least 6 people behind you who would be satisfied to even have work. 

    1. There are instances where people come in to restaurants and don’t tip simply because they don’t feel like it. There is nothing wrong with the service, they make casual conversation with workers and just still them anyways. You live in the US and sorry to burst your bubble, but a tip is the majority of the salary for servers and bartenders. If you don’t like it, eat fast food or do everyone else a favor and just stay home! Servers in VA get paid $2.13/hour. Can you live off of $2.13/hr? No. On a paycheck, that ends up paying taxes and then you get 0. If you have a problem, say something to give your server or the restaurant a chance to fix it. It’s because of people like you who probably have never served anyone in their lives who are the customers that everyone hates. It’s not like people grow up dreaming to server pompous a-holes as adults!

      1. Here you go.  Tips are not manditory.  Can you not understand that.  NO, I cannot live off of 2.13 an hour, this is why I would never work for that low.

        If you do not like the pay than find a new job.

        1. Servers consider they are entitled to receive tips, only because they are paid 2.13/hour for example. If you are not able to do other jobs, to be better paid, we should pay for your living, including contraceptive pills? 
          I am curious when the majority of servers will learn not to bring the bill unless I am finished with my meal, and that I do not share the tip with them, so I will not help them clean the table!

        2. I hope you have a child who one day has to work at a restaurant to make ends meet, and has to deal with people going out to eat and throwing the restaurant staff under the bus so they can go out, drink fine wine, and feel superior to everyone else if even just for an hour or two of their day. The restaurant system in the US is crap. If servers were paid a real wage, restaurant owners would drive the prices up of food. So the people who understand this go out to eat, and tip their servers/tenders accordingly, and all is well. Then there are the inconsiderate..the miserable..and the ignorant. They go out to eat knowing full well how much they want to spend, at no point do they factor a tip into there. They go to a restaurant and make their orders, run the server around, make a bunch of requests..and then when they leave and the server checks to see how much money they go..how much gas, food, or rent money is there…nothing. Stay at home and make your own meal losers.

        3. I hope you have a child who one day has to work at a restaurant to make ends meet, and has to deal with people going out to eat and throwing the restaurant staff under the bus so they can go out, drink fine wine, and feel superior to everyone else if even just for an hour or two of their day. The restaurant system in the US is crap. If servers were paid a real wage, restaurant owners would drive the prices up of food. So the people who understand this go out to eat, and tip their servers/tenders accordingly, and all is well. Then there are the inconsiderate..the miserable..and the ignorant. They go out to eat knowing full well how much they want to spend, at no point do they factor a tip into there. They go to a restaurant and make their orders, run the server around, make a bunch of requests..and then when they leave and the server checks to see how much money they go..how much gas, food, or rent money is there…nothing. Stay at home and make your own meal losers.

        4. I hope you have a child who one day has to work at a restaurant to make ends meet, and has to deal with people going out to eat and throwing the restaurant staff under the bus so they can go out, drink fine wine, and feel superior to everyone else if even just for an hour or two of their day. The restaurant system in the US is crap. If servers were paid a real wage, restaurant owners would drive the prices up of food. So the people who understand this go out to eat, and tip their servers/tenders accordingly, and all is well. Then there are the inconsiderate..the miserable..and the ignorant. They go out to eat knowing full well how much they want to spend, at no point do they factor a tip into there. They go to a restaurant and make their orders, run the server around, make a bunch of requests..and then when they leave and the server checks to see how much money they go..how much gas, food, or rent money is there…nothing. Stay at home and make your own meal losers.

        5. I hope you have a child who one day has to work at a restaurant to make ends meet, and has to deal with people going out to eat and throwing the restaurant staff under the bus so they can go out, drink fine wine, and feel superior to everyone else if even just for an hour or two of their day. The restaurant system in the US is crap. If servers were paid a real wage, restaurant owners would drive the prices up of food. So the people who understand this go out to eat, and tip their servers/tenders accordingly, and all is well. Then there are the inconsiderate..the miserable..and the ignorant. They go out to eat knowing full well how much they want to spend, at no point do they factor a tip into there. They go to a restaurant and make their orders, run the server around, make a bunch of requests..and then when they leave and the server checks to see how much money they go..how much gas, food, or rent money is there…nothing. Stay at home and make your own meal losers.

        6. I hope you have a child who one day has to work at a restaurant to make ends meet, and has to deal with people going out to eat and throwing the restaurant staff under the bus so they can go out, drink fine wine, and feel superior to everyone else if even just for an hour or two of their day. The restaurant system in the US is crap. If servers were paid a real wage, restaurant owners would drive the prices up of food. So the people who understand this go out to eat, and tip their servers/tenders accordingly, and all is well. Then there are the inconsiderate..the miserable..and the ignorant. They go out to eat knowing full well how much they want to spend, at no point do they factor a tip into there. They go to a restaurant and make their orders, run the server around, make a bunch of requests..and then when they leave and the server checks to see how much money they go..how much gas, food, or rent money is there…nothing. Stay at home and make your own meal losers.

        7. I hope you have a child who one day has to work at a restaurant to make ends meet, and has to deal with people going out to eat and throwing the restaurant staff under the bus so they can go out, drink fine wine, and feel superior to everyone else if even just for an hour or two of their day. The restaurant system in the US is crap. If servers were paid a real wage, restaurant owners would drive the prices up of food. So the people who understand this go out to eat, and tip their servers/tenders accordingly, and all is well. Then there are the inconsiderate..the miserable..and the ignorant. They go out to eat knowing full well how much they want to spend, at no point do they factor a tip into there. They go to a restaurant and make their orders, run the server around, make a bunch of requests..and then when they leave and the server checks to see how much money they go..how much gas, food, or rent money is there…nothing. Stay at home and make your own meal losers.

          1.  Restauraunts suck at the way they treat their employees, no benies and low pay, But the owners I bet are making good money no matter what they say, Or they would not be in the biz.

        8. the restaurant you work at should not expect us to pay their mark-up and pay for their employees…. tipping is out of hand.

        9. the restaurant you work at should not expect us to pay their mark-up and pay for their employees…. tipping is out of hand.

      2. it is completely up to the person that is paying for the food wheather or not to tip. i serve people all the time at work on a minimum wage job! i don’t get tipped… i tip myself by telling my self to stay in school! the tip for you that serve is stay in school, or go back.

      3.  Thats because restauraunts do not pay very good , Lets charge 7 dollars a drink and a tip??

    2. I know why there are bad servers now! It’s because they deal with self rightous people who fail to step outside there world. Lets get this straight, a tip genarally given to show appreciation for specific service. It’s that simple! If you lack the compassion to leave a measly couple bucks for a service, then just go away. The world could use a lot less a-holes

    3. I know why there are bad servers now! It’s because they deal with self rightous people who fail to step outside there world. Lets get this straight, a tip genarally given to show appreciation for specific service. It’s that simple! If you lack the compassion to leave a measly couple bucks for a service, then just go away. The world could use a lot less a-holes

      1. I received your message loud and clear, and I will be very clear, I tip at 20% and sometimes higher.  It is the server’s responsibility for what he/she will receive as a tip.  There is absolutely no mandates to tip.  Tip means to insure promptness, so there will be consequences for bad service.

        1. Drill Sgt got his nut drilled. While it is true that waiters deserve to be paid according to service, the idea of good service is on the people at the table. Therefore, I disagree completely that it should be made the waiters own responsibility. Perhaps waiters and restaurants should demand service fees. I think that would be legitimate and legal. The rich are the ones that usually can afford to pay, yet do not because they are inconvenienced Perhaps, they should just stay at home and hire someone to cook for them.. 

      2. If service is good I will tip.  If service is poor I will lower my tip. 

    4. Would you be satisfied to work for 2.85 an hour?  Tipping servers is a necessity as the business you are patronizing is not actually paying this person to live you are.  Servers are basically self employed (the wage is more for payroll taxes to be withheld it isn’t what the person lives on).  

      1. No, thats why I do not work at a job that pays that low.  Find a job where the owner pays you what you are worth and stop expecting me to pay a portion of your wages.

        1. Or you can stop going out to eat…plain and simple. EVERYONE (in USA) knows that you should tip your server. And when you don’t, you can bet they will remember your face. I’m not the type of person who would mess with someones food but I am one of the few.

          1.  Hey they do not always deserve a tip do not tell me i owe it ,it’s based on how good the food is and service!!

          2.  Hey they do not always deserve a tip do not tell me i owe it ,it’s based on how good the food is and service!!

      2.  I would not work for that ever!! That self employed b s is so the restaurants owners can stuff their pockets.

    5. You are wrong.  See the comment someone posted above.  Servers are taxed on their sales.  If you do not tip you are in effect cheating.  If you don’t like it, stay home and eat and serve yourself. 

    6. In most states, food service staff (waiters/waitresses) are paid a different wage structure than the stated minimum wages that, let’s say, a McDonald’s employee makes. Waitstaff are generally paid 1/2 to 2/3rd’s of what might be considered minimum wage as tip earnings potential are calculated as part of wages they are to be paid.

      On a different note – and then to tie it together…; in response to people ‘who would be satisfied to even have work’:
      I was on a consulting job at an employment agency the other day. The branch manager said most of the jobs that his company offers are in manufacturing. He was at a job fair recently and the turnout was dismal, to say the least. These are jobs that can pay $12 – 14 per hour to start. There are A LOT of jobs out there and should be a lot of applicants to fill them but people would rather collect unemployment and wait for something to come along that they’d prefer to have. THIS mentality is what’s really wrong. I’d gladly tip well who offers good service and WANTS TO work.

  55. This is about the nonsense that a poor tip should never be given because it hurts the staff.
    Right out of the gate this is absurd, originally it was T.I.P.S. , which is an acronym for “To Increase Prompt Service” which used to be given before the meal, over time patrons began giving after when the bill came , and the owners decided that money should be part of the servers salary, .
    When dining out , part of the price , is food prep, food handling, storage, service, rent, .If you were to prepare foods at home it can be as much as a sixteenth of the price.

      1.  Then what the hell does it mean,  I hear its not mandatory, then servers act like they have an their right

      2. T.I.P= to insure PROPER service. Note: the word P.R.O.P.E.R. tips are discretionary by design.

    1. What is not mentioned is Uncle Sam will tax the server on the amount of the sale as though they were tipped whether you tip them or not. It is how servers are paid and not just a gratuity anymore.

    2. What is not mentioned is Uncle Sam will tax the server on the amount of the sale as though they were tipped whether you tip them or not. It is how servers are paid and not just a gratuity anymore.

      1.  Not always or in certain states. Some states DO charge the waiters as if they made a sale. That’s stupid but in IL what do you expect from political crooks looking for their dime.
        Also if I have a bad waiter then their tip DOES reflect due to poor service unless it’s from the kitchen side and it’s not hard to tell and that’s where management is called. BUT when the service is bad and a small or non tip happens and if the store is counting or collecting off the waiters and notices the small amount they might realize that if this same person is always getting these types of tips and they will watch and find his shortcomings and either correct them or fire him.
        When I tip, the main reason is to the waitstaff. They are on the “short” end of the pay scale with way under minimum wages due to these tips! The kitchen staff should not be given any part of the tip as they are all on the federal wage scale thus make better than the person you see every time you walk into your favorite watering hole. The cooks, dish washers, cleaning crew all make what the gooberment says but the waitstaff get bent as the gooberment thinks every customer pays the “proper” amount! I still see people do the $1.00 tip because they asr stuck in the past!
        As a hint to the waitstaff nation wide if you are in one of the states that actually charge you as if you had anything in them ordering off a menu and maybe coming in because they like a certain platter then get together and just make it clear after writing all your congress critters a letter telling them they are idiots and should try serving sometime and stop taxing you as if you make sales! When the morons walk in don’t wait on them. Refuse to serve the table so they get the hint. The boss if he doesn’t agree will have a hard time hiring to fill those he fired when the new hires hear why they have a job! The sale from an idiot congress critter isn’t going to matter in the long run but it sure can make the bosses job easier not having all that crap paperwork to fill out!

      2. When I worked as a waiter the IRS charged 8% of total sales, for which I myself had to supply the numbers. Let’s just say that I was paying Romney-style taxes on the amounts I was making. No, tax is not a good reason to pad the tip. It does sound good, though, almost like servers contribute a lot to the public coffers. I pay good tips personally (20% and up), but the system is corrupt, restaurants are getting off light by not paying, some servers are making obscene amounts and others a pittance (you’ll say, “based on skill” but it is more often, “based on who is friends with the host/hostess”).

        Tips need to go away, they are an anachronism and harmful to both the server (in general, not for some. the wealthy server will revolt at the idea of going on a wage) and the diner.

      3. Not necessarily true.   The employee can report actual tips received and the employer can user that amount – as long as it is at least eight percent of the gross receipts or based on hours worked.  And the employer can submit a form (Form 8027) to the IRS requesting a lower tip baseline (as low as two percent).  Unfortunately, some employers are too lazy to submit the form, so the employee is taxed based on a minimum eight percent.  Still, since most people tip at 20 percent, that should more than make up for those who do not tip and keep overall tips above the eight percent level.  As long as the employee keeps accurate records (they are supposed to submit a Form 4070 to the employer each week to declare actual tips made), the employee will not be charged for tips not received.

    3. Server pay varies by state but is almost always far below minimum wage, because of the expectation of tips.  In TN server Minimum Wage is $2.12.  If you don’t tip they can’t feed their families, simple as that.  If you can’t afford to tip, don’t go to a restaurant with waiters.  Want to pay “a sixteenth of the cost”?  Make it at home.

    4. T.i.p.s!!!!!! Really that started in the 30’s when min wage was like $.80 now a servers federal wage is $2.13 !!! And guess what there are a lot of people who tip less than 1% on there bills, even when receiving amazing service! And yes not tipping does hurt other people . At my restaurant we tip out the bussers2% of our sales , the food runners, 1% of food sales , and our bartenders get 1% this is on every shift !!! So in the long run your hurting everyone !!

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