America’s Most Vicious Gang

For the Ivano family, the school day began like any other. It was a Tuesday morning in December, just days before the Christmas break, and Abraham was fighting his way through the Los Angeles traffic to his children’s schools. He made good time, and after dropping off his daughter, Shamrim, Abraham and his son, Walentin, had a moment to spare. Over coffee at Starbucks, they talked basketball for a while, and then discussed a computer engineering course at a local college that Walentin hoped to take. Abraham and his wife had done the math and thought the family could afford it; he promised to take Walentin that Friday to learn more about the program. Then Abraham dropped his son off at the magnet high school he attended.

'Isabella' talks about life inside MS-13 on a rooftop in Central Los Angeles. Photo by Darcy Padilla'Isabella' talks about life inside MS-13 on a rooftop in Central Los Angeles.

He Never Made It Home
Walentin never made it home that night. As he and a friend lunched at a local Chinese restaurant, a tough group of Latino boys and girls approached. They accused the friends of belonging to a rival gang and, when Walentin denied it, set upon the two. As Walentin pleaded with them to stop, the gang members beat him viciously and crashed a chair onto his head. Then, as quickly as it began, it was over. The gang members fled, and a confused Walentin stooped to gather up his spilled food, needlessly apologizing to the other patrons for the commotion.

That’s when one of his attackers returned. “He pulled the gun out of his pocket and held it toward my son’s forehead,” recounts Suzi Ivano, Walentin’s mother. Her dark eyes fight to hold back the tears, and her hands thumb listlessly at the mementos of her son’s childhood spread on a table before her — commendations for perfect attendance and superb grades, family pictures of a birthday, Walentin’s favorite stuffed Spider-Man toy. “He said ‘Mara Salvatrucha,’ and just shot Walentin,” she finally says. The bullet tore through her child’s neck and lodged in his spinal cord. Walentin lived for another 18 months as a quadriplegic before finally succumbing to his wounds.

No Isolated Act of Violence
Walentin Ivano’s murder was no isolated act of brutality. It was the handiwork of one of the most virulent street gangs in America’s history. La Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, has rapidly expanded from L.A., its U.S. birthplace, into more than 30 states across the country. With at least 10,000 members today, the gang’s reach goes well beyond its inner-city roots into middle-class suburban neighborhoods and schools. And that has law enforcement, community leaders and parents struggling to find ways to cope with an organization that the FBI considers its “top priority among criminal gangs.”

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297 thoughts on “America’s Most Vicious Gang

  1. They will disband on their own after enough of them are executed.

    1. What a Kind Sweet thing to say!!! You statement warms my heart.

  2. Or, everybody get a concealed carry permit, and when they pull a gun, shoot them dead instead.

  3. Wonder how many of the illegals invading the US are members of ms-13??

  4. I lived in the same area but refused to join. Got into fights and have a deep hate towards all cowards. Even now in my late 30’s see coward and they want to act stupid with me I just get down. I did not live a good life though, and now am paying for it but I am a alive and those that I fought are dead or lifers.

  5. want to rid our streets of M13…. ship all illegals back to mexico where there is a revolution going on them they can kill each other and solve our over population prob they r causing.
    another idea, sue the familys put them out on the streets them they will have to go home on thier own ..problem solver!!!!

  6. I thought the KKK & the skin heads were the most ruthless. Some say get rid of the all the other gangs, then you’ve got the KKK & skin heads running the streets?

  7. most of the human garbage in gangs like this are ILLEGALS, borders should be closed and these pieces of crap be either shot on site or deported

  8. This is just the beginning of a large and growing Criminal
    Underclass…..Young men who feel that there is no place for them in
    society….Unless we find a way to make people feel that this is their
    America and that they have a stake in the game….This is what they see
    as their future…

    The costs do not and will not go away….As I see it…Either we develop
    social programs or we going to be living with roving gangs of
    bandits…..

    These people have to live somehow…..What you are seeing is a
    replication and expansion of what we have inside of our Prisons…..The
    strong preying on and victimizing the weak…

    The Wealthy …Will have their Gated Communities and Private
    Security…..Government is cutting back on Cops and Prisons …No one
    wants to pay for them after all…What do you think it will cost to let
    them run loose?…..Make no mistake ..YOU ARE GOING TO PAY…..The only
    choice is Social Programs…To build a better society….Or this
    alternative…

  9. I say death penalty for any killer in MS-13, and life for everyone else. RICO

  10. When the government is involved in our homes and says no one can hit these kids, heres what you get. My father would’ve beat my you know what if I stepped out of line. I knew the rules, and if I chose to defy him I had a price to pay. He didn’t hit me for making a mistake, that is when he taught me. But if I was defiant look out. I am grateful he cared enough to do his job. Paaents of the 60’s want to be friends with their kids. They don’t need friends, they need parents. After they are adults you can become friends as well as parents. But always they must be taught respect for life, for authority, for elders, etc. Also, today no one is home to teach anything, not to mention all these children of children who never were taught right from wrong and then find themselves being teenage parents.  Our current answer…abortion , no God, no teaching, no morals, no rules, no consequences.

  11. Where is Elliot Ness? He’d end this fiasco. Then we cry police brutality.  When parents don’t do their job, when the government says no one can it these kids, no rules, no consequences, here is what you get. Oh by the way no God in homes, schools or the country.  Congratulations. We finally destroyed every thing. We are worried about green energy.

  12. Salvos are punks. They don’t need any excuse. Pure macho Central American bullshit to make illegals feel better about their worthless selves. No skills, no brains, no work ethic, no religion, no politics. just animals running around the pen.

  13. These guys came here because we supported right wing death squads that destroyed their country in the 1980s. Thanks Jesse Helms and Ronald Reagan.

  14. Our government has been involved in the drug trade for MANY YEARS. If anyone blows the whistle like Andrew Breitbart you die of a heart attack, even his coroned died two weeks sfter the autopsy.

  15. Our government has been involved in the drug trade for MANY YEARS. If anyone blows the whistle like Andrew Breitbart you die of a heart attack, even his coroned died two weeks sfter the autopsy.

  16. If there is one good news it is the Mr. president sir, “My administration will do everything that we can to support the people of Aurora in this extraordinarily difficult time,” he said, referring to the city adjacent to Denver where the shooting took place.Witnesses described a scene of chaos as the gunman burst into a packed showing of ” The Dark Knight Rises,” the latest Batman film, setting off a smoke device of some kind and spraying the theater with bullets.. Now my question has been always. Does just the sorry help? The reason for this question is there are troops in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Taliban is practicing their guns on these innocent people and I hear nothing from the presidential rep. In fact we are sending the drones and more drones to many places. If this is economy in words I love it but I despise the small ones like shooting by one,  while we have army in many places and no one chirps a word WHY? Dr. This is not the finance news I will disappoint you but put the idea in the table we are talking about human factor. I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA

  17. Put a bounty on them and the problem will resolve itself.  They want their own particular turf, great.  It makes them easier to find and eliminate.  Veterans having trouble finding jobs will probably jump at the chance.

  18. They need to roud up every last one of these parasites and just exterminate them no questions asked or any deportations back thier savaged ruined cesspool of el basurador? they won’t be missed that’s for sure!

  19. They need to roud up every last one of these parasites and just exterminate them no questions asked or any deportations back thier savaged ruined cesspool of el basurador? they won’t be missed that’s for sure!

  20. They need to roud up every last one of these parasites and just exterminate them no questions asked or any deportations back thier savaged ruined cesspool of el basurador? they won’t be missed that’s for sure!

  21. How hard is it to just kill them?  It’s not a catch and release thing; get one, kill it.  Sell licenses to allow us to hunt them down and eliminate them.  Gangs persist because the laws against them are ineffective.  Make them permanent, make it open season on them,

  22. Open the border let them all in. Hand them guns and give them a map to social services already!! Why does our Government keep trying to pretend it is against this illegal invasion! 

  23. Open the border let them all in. Hand them guns and give them a map to social services already!! Why does our Government keep trying to pretend it is against this illegal invasion! 

  24. These gangs members are not real men, they stand behind guns!   If there were to fight one-on-one without backup or weapons I am sure that they would be the losers!  Parents need to become more involved in their childrens’ lives, it is not for the city or the police to raise these children!

  25. we are seeing the worst from the flood of illegal aliens from failed countries like el salvador

  26. we are seeing the worst from the flood of illegal aliens from failed countries like el salvador

  27. The existence of these gangs is just one more reason that the US should deport all illegals and then come down with a hammer on the remaining members of these gangs and any other established gang, regardless of ethnicity or origin.   And, when I say come down with a hammer, I mean treat these punks like the trash they are and k ill them if that’s what it takes.

  28. I removed a Salvatruche to mexico today.  He had all the tats all around his head, with his gangs name across his forehead.  Came out of claimed Hollywood, Ca. Humm!

  29. America has the RICO Act.  Lets fine tune it to include members of gangs.  Then, lock them up.  Its better to pay for their incarceration than to allow them freedom to kill, rape, and thrive.  I wonder how many of these members are here illegally.  Law and order has never been a priority of the Democrats.  Change is needed, so remember to vote no when it comes to Progressive policies that do nothing more than destroy the morality of this country with its statists policies.  

  30. These fonts are horrible what editor allowed this gobbly gook to be published?  

    Keep it simple this font simply sucks.

  31. These fonts are horrible what editor allowed this gobbly gook to be published?  

    Keep it simple this font simply sucks.

  32.  MS13 is a very powerful gang that uses minors as a rule . They are safe from a lot of laws +  searchs under juvenal protections. They use minor girls to transport drugs.The ones that survive the jailings and murders move up in the hiarchy and make more + more money from underlings as they move up. I have a cure but it is illegal and could be considered persicution. But I would simply plant a lead pill in every teen flipping or wearing a gang sign/tat. As a parent I would be devistated to lose my little “darling” child w an attitude to a shooting. Legal or illegal. but eventually we ARE going to have a gang war on our hands. Might as well thin the herd and plant fear of our own NOW.  The only thing these punks know is violence and fear of anyone/thing stronger. Just My Experianced Opinion, but it is MINE and I stand by it as a former outlaw biker.  Legalizing drugs may stem the tide for a bit but there are all kinds of illegal activities that can and will be exploited by these thugs.

  33. and now ms-13 is joining with the zetas while the first rate second rate man in the white house approaches border security like he does solyndra and solar trust.  Islamic terrorists are like a wart that can be excised.  The drug gangs are a cancer that has metastisized and the body politic is not even aware of it.

  34.  These worthless pieces of s_hit have been around for 4 decades.  Not a ONE of them would last 5 minutes *alone* and without a weapon.  Classic chickenchit cowards.

  35. Summery execution, stamp them out like roaches. This is how the National Socialists felt was happenning to their country and gave rise to their solution. Only then it was jews and gypsys. This isn’t the first time this has happened to a country. I see the crematoriums and mass graves again. America is not as tight as the germans, however we do have a breaking point. When that  line crosses I see mass graves and piles of corpses.

  36.   It should be open season on MS-13 Gang members.  Like rabid animals they need to be exterminated as they fall out of the protection of the U.S. Constitution  and the 2nd amendment gives true americans hunting priviledges to do so.

      You cannot deport them, You cannot reform them. But you can Terminate them.

  37.   It should be open season on MS-13 Gang members.  Like rabid animals they need to be exterminated as they fall out of the protection of the U.S. Constitution  and the 2nd amendment gives true americans hunting priviledges to do so.

      You cannot deport them, You cannot reform them. But you can Terminate them.

  38. Arrest them and clandestinely execute them. They proliferate like rats. No other way, Start killing them.
    We’d be doing the world a huge favor. To them, life has no value. They are beyond any form of
    rehabilitation/redemption.

  39. Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy were all vicious creatures. They mutilated and destroyed their victims.  And they are only 3 names that I can mention right now.  If we look at the bullcrap that white murderers do and have done behind closed doors, people would be astonished. 

    The people who are seen as pariah in the country are the people who are profiled.  This is ok with most Americans but it sends a convoluted message about justice and whether it is obtainable for those of us, who judge as pariah as a practice.  We’re look like the pariah but are not guilty of harming this society.  This is upsetting because we are seen as pariah period thought we’ve not done anything to deserve it.

    This is what amkes this society crooked and corrupt.  If you are going to profile, profile everyone.  If you are going to fight justice, fight it for everyone.  If you are going to

  40. And government keeps trying to disarm the public——sooner or later we will have to deal with these killers and i dont think sticks will work as weapons.

    1.  Yup, let’s go back to the Old West days where everyone carried a sidearm and if people had a disagreement they just had a duel in the streets.  Now that is progress!

  41. If only these guys would move to Pennsylvania Ave in Washington DC.

  42. If our government can’t control the gang violence in our country that shows their priorities are definitely in the wrong order. Instead of trying to fix the problems overseas concentrate full effort on protecting the innocent citizens of America. There is no way that gangs should be running this country.

  43. Instead of fighting muslims in the mideast to protect jews we should wipe out thes thugs who murder Americans.

  44. Instead of fighting muslims in the mideast to protect jews we should wipe out thes thugs who murder Americans.

  45. Send all the M-13 gang members back to Mexico and your problem is solved !

    1. We sent them to El Salvador years ago, this is them coming back.

  46. Why not just allow the owners of the 11 million + legally owned/purchased firearms last year alone, hit the streets ans take care of this problem. Problem is, in L.A. the gun laws are a joke as far as law abiding citizens are concerned, and don’t you think the criminals know that.  Never a greater deteramt to crime is when fed up citizens start shooting back……   This is yet another glimpse intio the idiotic thinking that if guns are taken away (from law abiding Americans) that crime gun crimes will somehow stop. It is statistically proven, in areas where gun laws are very strict, (NYC, D.C., London, England, etc, etc, etc. that crime only increases)

    If Walentin had a license to carry a firearm AND was trained in its use, there is a VERY good chance that he would be alive today.

    1.  But then he would have violated the MS13 right to murder innocent children and that will not be tolerated in our free and open society.
      What a sad sad society the fascist liberals have built for their children and their children’s children.

    1.  How brilliant of you?  So allow the rest of America’s cracker gangs, serial killers and rapists, white collar corporate gangs to continue their reign?  Of course, their harm to society is a little less painful and usually inconsequential to other crackers.  Right, right, sound just as it should be.

    2.  How brilliant of you?  So allow the rest of America’s cracker gangs, serial killers and rapists, white collar corporate gangs to continue their reign?  Of course, their harm to society is a little less painful and usually inconsequential to other crackers.  Right, right, sound just as it should be.

  47. But don’t anyone DARE to profile these fine young men… that would be violating THEIR rights.

    1.  The thing is that ALL should be profiled and fairly, if you’re going to do it.  White men are never suspected in anything as if they are perfect.  But they kill and rape and molest and fraud.  Those acts still lead to a loss of life or a reduction in the quality of it.

      1. If you profile all, then you aren’t profiling. As a PERCENTAGE of their representation in our society, bIacks commit FAR more VIOLENT crimes – than any other segment of our society. Recognizing that FACT isn’t racist, it’s simply recognizing a FACT!!

        1. The presumption is that whites are guiltless. That is bs. In every group, if you profile it should be those in each race prone to crime. The presumption with whites is that there are none in their race. Again bs.

  48. This will continue, because our society is more concerned about the ‘rights’ of gang members than protecting the public. These things happen because we allow them to. 

  49. All you dumbells blame the Christians and Christianity,why don’t you blame the gangs???They are the ones killing.Leave religion out and hang blame on these murdering scumbags…Damn! Wake up people!!

  50. Hang these animals,totally annihilate them before these vermin kill more innocents.Jails are overcrowded,they cannot be rehabilitated(they won’t).The law has got to protect us somehow.Only solution I see is let the military loose on these scumbags..take em’ out…

  51. We should consider doing what Great Britian did during their “Troubles” with Ireland.  Outlaw membership in these gangs.  I believe you’ll find most are here illegally.  Deport those who are and jail those members who might be citizens.  And do so regardless of their family status (wifes, children, etc.) . Thus making membership a painful experience.

  52. We should consider doing what Great Britian did during their “Troubles” with Ireland.  Outlaw membership in these gangs.  I believe you’ll find most are here illegally.  Deport those who are and jail those members who might be citizens.  And do so regardless of their family status (wifes, children, etc.) . Thus making membership a painful experience.

    1. that is a good start. perhaps strict application of the law (no parole, no plea bargaining, etc) would change the attitude. If not, ship them to an island and let them fight it out – last man standing – winner gets a t-shirt. 

  53. Yeah, let’s just legalize drugs. That way, all these fine gang specimens will suddenly turn to low-paying shift work and be content.

  54. A sad tribal substitute for missing or dysfunctional families.    How do you fix that?

  55. I though this was an article about Obama and his Democrat lemmings!

  56. DougW – Having read a bit of Puritan literature, I don’t find any sense of the “self-righteous” that you mention. It’s just not there. To the contrary.

  57. Apparently a few of you have no idea who the Puritans were and are repeating the modern cultural stereotypes from Menckan and others. Do a bit of research. You might be surprised.

    How to stop the gangs? It goes back, in large part, to illegal immigration. A national biometric/DNA based ID card may be a big part of the answer. Obviously there would initially be some civil liberties concerns, but the advantages would greatly outweigh those. A single card could serve a number of purposes- SSN, various permits, passport, voter registration, medical info, etc. The technology is such that the card could not be reproduced illegally. The savings from diminished illegal immigrant use of citizen taxpayer services should more than pay for the card. Is this possible? At the same time, streamline the guest worker program and legal immigration progress. 

  58. Stupid people making stupid choices. Put them all in FEMA camps & let them kill eachother there.

  59. From El Salvador…I lived in LA 1980th’s I live in Ventura County…I heared since them that the Salvadorians gangs are the worse. Why they let them in USA!…Like the others writers said. It is time to clean our Towns.

  60. As soon as your idiot fvckin government decides to bomb Mexico and kill the REAL bad guys, then this will stop.

  61. MOST   RESTAURANT     ARE  FEEDING   THOSE    GANG  MEMBERS    IN   THE  FIRST  PLACE    TO   MAINTAINING   THEIR   ORGANIZATION     TO  MESS    AROUND   IN   THE  U.S.A.    LAND  OF   THE  FREE    CIVILIZATION  WORLD       AND  COUNTRY  , AMEN    .

  62. MOST   OF   THE   RESTUARANT   ARE   THE   PLACE  TO   FEET    THOSE   GANG  MEMEBERS      IN   THEIR     OWN   ORGANIZATION     TO    HAVE    THE  DEVIL   CHANCE    TO   GROWN   SO   RAPIDLY  ,  AMEN    ,   BUT   KARMA    ARE   COMING   BACK   TO  THOSE   EVIL   MIND    GANG   MEMBERS    SOONER   OR    LATER  ,   AMEN  

  63. LOOKING       DOWN   MOST    OF   THE     RESTAURANT   OWNER    ARE   THE  REASON  FOR  THE    GANG     MEMBERS  TO   GROW   SO   RAPIDLY    IN  THE  FIRST  PLACE  ,  AMEN    .

  64. LOOKING       DOWN   MOST    OF   THE     RESTAURANT   OWNER    ARE   THE  REASON  FOR  THE    GANG     MEMBERS  TO   GROW   SO   RAPIDLY    IN  THE  FIRST  PLACE  ,  AMEN    .

  65. REMEMBERING     NOW      THAT    THE  SUN   SOLAR  POWER   IS   ROUND   AND   THE  MOON   LUNAR  POWER  IS  ROUND  ALSO    AND    SO    DOES   THE   EARTH  PLANET     FULL     OF  KARMA    WHAT   COME  AROUND   MUST    GOING   BACK   AROUND   TO    ONESELF  ACTION    ,  MIND   AND   THOUGHT    OF  TO    GETTING   THEIR  EITHER   TO   THE     HELL     PLACE     OR  THE   HEAVENLY   PLACE    ,  AMEN   

  66. REMEMBERING     NOW      THAT    THE  SUN   SOLAR  POWER   IS   ROUND   AND   THE  MOON   LUNAR  POWER  IS  ROUND  ALSO    AND    SO    DOES   THE   EARTH  PLANET     FULL     OF  KARMA    WHAT   COME  AROUND   MUST    GOING   BACK   AROUND   TO    ONESELF  ACTION    ,  MIND   AND   THOUGHT    OF  TO    GETTING   THEIR  EITHER   TO   THE     HELL     PLACE     OR  THE   HEAVENLY   PLACE    ,  AMEN   

  67. ALL   THOSE   GANG  MEMBERS  ARE    MOSTLY   WAS   BORN   IN  THE   YEAR  OF   THE   DOG   IN   THE  CHINESE    ZODIAC    MENTION    ON    ,  AMEN   .    IN    THE  REAL    WORLD   MOST   DOG   ANIMAL    OR  WOLF    ANIMAL      ARE   LOVE   TO    GO   TOGETHER     AS   A    GROUP    TO     GO   HUNT     FOR   THE   OTHER   ANIMAL    TO   EAT    AND   THAT    ARE  THE  FACT    OF  IT     ,    MOST   GANG    MEMBERS    ARE  BORN   ON   THE  YEAR   OF  THE      DOG   YEAR     AND   NOT     THE  DRAGON   YEAR       ,  AMEN      .     THOSE  EVIL     GANG   MEMBER      GOT   NO     SOUL   IN   THEIR   OWNSELF     ANAL   EITHER       ,    BECAUSE     THEY   ALL      ARE   FROM   HELL    IN   THE   FIRST   PLACE   ,  AMEN    .   KARMA    WILL      COME    BACK  TO   THEIR    EVIL   MIND   GANG  MEMEBERS     SOONER   OR   LATER     ,   AMEN   .

  68. ALL    GANG   MEMBER   ARE   STUPID   AND  THEY   ALL   ARE  FROM    HELL   ,  BECAUSE  THEY   HAVE   THE  EVIL  MIND  AND   THE  DEVIL  MIND  IN    THEM     AND  THEY   GOT  NO   SOUL   EITHER     .    KRAMA  WILL    COME  BACK  TO   THE   EVIL    DOER   ,  AMEN    .  KARMA   ARE   FOR   REAL    NO  DOG   AND  CAT  CAN   GET   AWAY     WITH  IT     DOG     ACTION    ,   AMEN   .

  69. These gangs are the product of a corrupt judicial system that denied US the Right to be heard.

  70. These gangs are the product of a corrupt judicial system that denied US the Right to be heard.

  71. Thats wrong MS!3 is a bunch of girls next to the JUGGALOS! I would NEVER mess with an ICP fan noooooo way in hell!

    1. Be careful you might just run into someone of color with the same mentality as yours…

  72. (1) Make it legal to sell permits for $500 and have an open season on them and with no bag limit. They will soon become extinct and or hide like mushrooms in the dark. 
    (2) Tattoo Islam sucks and Christians rule in Farsi on their forehead and parachute them in to Yemen. Eventually gang of zero.

  73. These gangs in no way get top rating, the top ratings go to the American rednecks of which would take these gang baggers out at a moments notice when it comes down to it.

  74. Believe that we in the USA
     should have a isolated island in the middle of one of the oceans….instead of putting the gangs in prisons here in US.. ship them off to island…let them either learn to take care of themselves as in the BEGINNNING or perish…do not understand how we think that these animals will change after doing time….I know this sounds heartless but when you see on TV and read about the cruelty these persons do…it is hard to not wish we as a society just say we have had enough and get rid of them

  75. THE ONLY WAY TO ELIMINATE THE MEXICAN GANGMEMBERS IS TO SHIP ALL BACK TO MEXICO IN AMERICA,AND THEN DETERMINE  WHICH MEXICANS ARE VIOLENT
    ILLEGAL,WANTED.I SWEAR,THIS THE ONLY WAY.WATCH HOW THE CRIME DISSAPEAR.
    ALL OTHER RACES IN  INCARCERATION,SEND THEM BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM
    WITH A HEFTY TICKET.THIS WOULD FREE UP SOME OF THE AMERICAN MONEY TO
    RELIEVE  AMERICA OF SOME OF ITS RECESSION MONEY.THESE GANGMEMBERS
    NEED THE LORD AND JOB FORCED UPON THEM TO MAKE MONEY TO FREE UP THAT
    NEGATIVE TIME THEY HAVE ON THEIR HANDS.THE CONSTITUTION WOULD HAVE TO
    BE AMENDED TOMAKE THIS WORK.

      1. Yeah Stop all these lil white kids in the suburbs from buying their goods. NOT all gangmembers are black or mexican… they are just concentrated in small areas because of their poverty mentality..  white gangs are just as prevalent.. just more hidden cuz the news doesn’t report on white problems cuz their daddys might get offended.. check all the stats before trying to comment on the game…

  76. Here I thought the most vicious gang in America are the so called protectors of society. The police. They kill more people with out cause every year in America than gangs do.

  77. the most vicious gangs are the police. and the us funded political instability in these countries which caused much of the violence that is going on now. as you reap, so shall you sew…

  78. the most vicious gangs are the police. and the us funded political instability in these countries which caused much of the violence that is going on now. as you reap, so shall you sew…

  79. These guys are terrorists plain and simple.  We need to concentrate everything we have at home to get these guys.  ICE, FBI, National Guard, state and local police all working as a team to rid ourselves of this cancer.  No deportation.  Hard time.  Desert detention centers under tarps so you don’t need to build jails.

    If you’re illegal, commit a crime and have gang tats, go straight to jail, don’t pass go dig holes in the sand at 10 cents an hour.  No time off for good behavior, no breaks whatsoever under any circumstances.  Oh, and make their conditions in jail similar to the jails wherever they came from in the first place.For all of you racist wankers out there who are confused, these Hispanics are not all Mexican and as you can see we are getting some homegrown bangers out of this.  There are culls everywhere that come out of cultures of good people.   

  80. It is worth pointing out that MS 13 is from Central America, and the majority of its members are illegal aliens.

  81. Big, tough spiks.  “Overpowered a woman and her child in the back seat.”  Wow… must have been some badass homo gang bangers to overpower a lone woman.  I’m so impressed.  I’ll bet they walked home and did a gay boy circle jerk to celebrate.

    These loser gang members don’t have the balls to stand up on their own.  Like dogs… they travel in packs because they’re weak.  Using their special talents… like hurting innocent people and spraying graffiti because they’re too stupid to put anything to good use.  Tell you what, MS-13, take your wetback acts home to Mexico… South America… wherever.  Nobody thinks you’re badass… you’re just stupid, weak and lazy losers.

  82. A good argument for letting illegals (mostly Latino) into this country to destroy it. 

  83. If the 14th ammendment (one of the reconstution ammendments to right the wrongs to former slaves) was properly interpreted or if Congress would pass legislation to exclude children born in the US to illegal immigrant parents (like the countries of Europe and Asia) we could deport all of MS 13 and be done with them.   

  84. We can send the military to other countries and help with their problems. we have names, addresses, photos….it is time to send the military out to pick up these slime balls.

  85. The most vicious gang im America are the people who get up every Sunday morning and go to church.

  86. If they want to die for their “cause” we should certainly accommodate them.

  87. Seems to me these Dbags are domestic terrorists and should have to deal with the full brunt and force of the U.S. military. Let’s call drone strikes on these Dbags. Let’s use .50 cal machine guns on them and clamores.

  88. Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercionCommon definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war.
    So, 10,000 “gang” member across the U.S. are killing people. Thats funny, cause we are fighting 10,000 other “gang” members in Afghanistan, they are called Tailban.

  89. This gang needs to be talen out by our police as soon as possible to let others know this wan’t be tolerated here

  90. Lets keep on point people. MS-13 are a posing threat to our American fabric. They have the mentality of they can come into this country and intimidate and take away our loved ones. They are the threat and are the bad guys in all of this. It is time to fight back and end them. Not probation, not parole not talking to them about how they are making their victim’s and family members feel, just end them. Lock them up or address them as an enemy of the state.

    They have apparently declared war on our citizens, so we should fight and respond appropriately as we would in a war. Let’s not forget that us citizens have the right to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Are they really stronger than us? Or are they just more willing to resort to violence faster and for smaller insignificant reasons. MS-13 members say they will fight, die and definetly kill for their ideology and gang, who they call family, they would be mistaken to think we would not do the same. Citizens and Law Enfrocement need to be just as willing to respond in turn. One may ask then, “where does it stop?” it stops with them being exterminated or they give up their efforts and go else where.    

  91. You could of course stop buying their drugs and funding their operations….

  92. As an american citizen we need to arm ourselves and stop this madness! Shoot these pieces of trash where they stand!! Everyone of them!! This is my country!I don’t care how hard you think you are. A bullet in the brain is all you deserve!!!!

  93. Obama and his lax immigration policy has allowed millions of illegal’s refuge in the US , 20 million criminals live in our mist, not knowing who they are, what disease’s that might carry, nothing, at a cost of 123 billion a year to tax payers.
    Obama’s only concern is getting votes at all cost , even if it means selling American’s out which he has done when it comes to illegal immigration.
    We have a government agency ICE , I put ICE on my list of do nothing agencies,a waste of tax payers money, here in Georgia ( 475,000) ,illegal immigrants working in the construction industries building Hartsfield/Jackson  International  Airport, county buildings, public schools and ICE knows this and still does nothing, even after a local Fox 5 reporter (Randy Chavis ), reported on this matter.
    Until, we have a president with guts to stand up for US citizens and enforce immigration laws,( and not some back door watered down policies) , from the boarder to Main,St America we will continue to have these immigrant gangs spreading their death,and violence from the border’s to  Main,St America.

  94. Thank you Californina for not deporting the illegals who make up this gang. 

  95. Just keep those borders open, and continue to push for amnesty. I think if amnesty is ever a reality that the ENTIRE family needs to be investigated, kids included. You have a gang member in your household,  a record of any type, guess what? You all go home to your Country of origin. If you can’t keep your kid under control you will not be a valuable, contributing member of American society. Just another drain. We have a right to be selective about who lives here legally.

  96. As long as we have the Second Amendment; I am not afraid of these thugs. 

    1. One minor problem – exercise second amendment ‘rights’ and police have YOU in the pokey for excessive force, manslaughter, etc.  Cops don’t want you to have a gun, and will use this matter as a means to get you off the streets.  Gang members’s parents of course wail deliciously on TV declaiming oppressive Anglos who slaughtered their little boy/girl who just wanted a better life in America.  And jesus wept…

      1. Scott’s right. Go ahead and try to protect yourself- see who gets in trouble

      2. Scott’s right. Go ahead and try to protect yourself- see who gets in trouble

  97. Change the laws governing gang membership.  Membership should net the person a minimum of 20 years, and if an alien (legal or illegal) deport them afterwards.  Hopefully, incarceration and age would slow them down enough to fall out of gang activity.

    I would like to say shoot them on sight, but that would be illegal.  Never the less, gang members are parasites, scum, dregs of the earth, and far worse.  There is no redeeming value in letting any of them be free let along alive, but the US Constitution says we have be – mores the pity.

  98. Change the the F–KING LAW and Make it a Felony tio Belong to a Gang. The ones that have already been Convicted of Felonies SHOOT ON SIGHT.Our curerent system doesn`t work and will never wiork because to these Murderers Prison is a Badge of Honor, and the gangs are easily run from Prisons.

  99. Holy Habanero, remember, you don’t need ID to vote so vote for Obama and vote often….you stupid brain dead libtards.  Enjoy the fail you have created.

  100. Notice the date, January, 2006…

    before PC silenced our news media and our citizens,
     
    before protecting illegal aliens was more important than protecting American citizens,

    before LaRaza, LULAC, SPLC, etc etc were funded by Soros and had more power than the people,
     
    before Mexico blamed America for their own decay and lack of moral responsibility,
     
    before Obama, Holder, Solis, Munoz, and his band of thugs decided that illegal aliens were the Democratic Party’s only hope..
    .
    before my life was nearly destroyed by illegal aliens and my government failure to perform their sworn duty to protect our borders and our citizens…on and on…

    before Houston lost six dedicated Police Officer, murdered by illegal aliens,

    before America, at least our border states, resembled and sounded more Mexico than our beloved country!

    AND before our elected officials lost their back bone, their moral character, and their sole dedication to the well being of our citizens…and it was only a mere six years ago, but it seems a life time ago!

  101. I find it interesting all this crap started thanks to illegal immigrants.  Hispanics, blacks…the article was very clear on this.

  102. legalize drugs and these guys have no more power except smuggling mexicans into the country..

  103. Well, I have a feeling  most of these monsters did not come into our nation legally. Most of the MS 13 members are not even migrants looking for work; they are killers looking for a head count. As for the stupid remark about legalizing drugs let me ask you this: Are you willing to just transfer money to politicans who kill and dehumanize via-a-via their policies because that is exactly what would happen if drugs were legalized.

  104. dont you know, drugs are already legal! just go see your doctor!

  105. I think the real most dangerous “gangs” in the us is the bloated prison industry and the public safety leeches that eat up 2/3 of all taxation with their pensions and budgets. The Cult of Public Safety is the real gang. They destroy economies like upstate NY driving taxes through the roof and  running off businesses and expect “respect” for their war on citizens and accusing anyone who gets in their greedy path.

    Be careful Readers Digest readers!! There’s “gangs” out there alright!

  106. Bring our boys ( and gals) back from Iraq and Afganistan and let them patrol the streets of LA and set these parasits straight on some good old american justice!

  107. America’s most vicious and destructive gang is the DNC  !  End of story !

  108. I don’t think other countries would tolerate these violent gang criminals.  Too bad the police go after innocent people, because that is easier and less chance of the policeman getting in harms way.  It’s a lot safer to give an old man or old lady a speeding ticket for going over 5 miles above the speed limit.  You know the old person won’t fight back….

  109. Forget deer, elk and bear.  Get a hunting license for these animals.  The problem goes away and the Gov’t makes money.

  110. Yes I will tell you they will be obamas secret police when he shuts down the mil. in america and invokes martial law sends the congress home and we have no hope of  left for the united states of AMERICA, The new name might be the united islaamic nation of america or somthing close might even have obamas name in it and holder will be the HNIC of security untill he can replace him with one of his muslim BH brothers,that is why they are passing out high tec weapons to these murders, and now you know.

  111. Yes I will tell you they will be obamas secret police when he shuts down the mil. in america and invokes martial law sends the congress home and we have no hope of  left for the united states of AMERICA, The new name might be the united islaamic nation of america or somthing close might even have obamas name in it and holder will be the HNIC of security untill he can replace him with one of his muslim BH brothers,that is why they are passing out high tec weapons to these murders, and now you know.

  112. Can anybody tell me why the US State Department is supplying MS-13 with weapons in Central America? Hillary’s State Department is passing out more weapons to the ZETAS and MS-13 than Holder’s Fast and Furious passed out to the Sinoloa cartel south of Arizona. Now I hear there is or was another gun furnishing operation called “White Paper” and one in Florida that has not been named.

  113. Can anybody tell me why the US State Department is supplying MS-13 with weapons in Central America? Hillary’s State Department is passing out more weapons to the ZETAS and MS-13 than Holder’s Fast and Furious passed out to the Sinoloa cartel south of Arizona. Now I hear there is or was another gun furnishing operation called “White Paper” and one in Florida that has not been named.

  114. Please someone tell me why these gangs  get support from Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder. Deportation of violent criminals has dropped to 1/3rd from where it was. It was not good before.

  115. Best reason in the world to bring back the death penalty for all violent felony crimes, especially those connected with drugs.  Why should we fund their training camps sometimes called prison.  Time to put the gun to their heads and pull the trigger to eliminate this scum once and for all.  I could care less what the libs and ACLU thinks about this plan, start doing this and within a few years there won’t be enough of them left to cause a stink.  Start with the already over crowded prisons and get rid of those serving life or any sentence over 40 years.  I will pull the switch, inject the needle or put the noose around their necks.  Our worthless legal system promotes crime and protects the criminal more than the victim. 

  116. Our military should stop worrying about the unrest in Afghanistan and worry about our streets. It may be more politically popular to work with Foreign Policy. What about the health of our US streets?

  117. america’s most vicious gang? the government of course. they will steal your house and everything you own and put you living on the street if you don’t pay their taxes.

  118. If we just legalized marijuana, all of these problems would go away…

    Why don’t we just legalize theft, rape and murder?  Then we wouldn’t have to worry about a crime rate.

  119. Of course, the government’s answer to all of this will be to further restrict the second amendment rights of law biding citizens. Wherever these rabid dogs exist, honest people should have concealed carry permits. Let’s see how tough they are when outnumbered by the good folk 10-1 or  20 -1.

  120. Of course, the government’s answer to all of this will be to further restrict the second amendment rights of law biding citizens. Wherever these rabid dogs exist, honest people should have concealed carry permits. Let’s see how tough they are when outnumbered by the good folk 10-1 or  20 -1.

  121. Eliminate them is the answer,these gangs are the lowest form of life,If the police can’t control them and it looks like they can’t.Do what we did in vietnam,take them out for a halo ride over the ocean but don’t bring them back.
    All this talk of taking back our communities from these drug gangs is crap !!drugs are’nt the reason for these sub life forms,it’s the way they are bread and being vicious is something they love .When animals have rogue elements amongst them they take them out.And don’t tell me that in taking them out is decending to animal levels,that statement alone is unjust to the animal kingdom..

  122. Bless your little heart, daveyboy! What you want is every irresponsible in the country wandering around loaded and fit for nothing. Driving when they can’t. Loafing; not working. Ruining their health and we get to pay for their medical needs. Consuming; not producing. Without inhibitions; doing whatever they fell like doing- probably to your wife and daughter.Go smoke, snort, shoot your dope and kill yourself; But don’t try to run your doper game on the rest of us. You’re a Bozo! Bozo on!

  123. These are the people the current administration wants to make “citizens” so they can vote and can take more in freebies from the systems…..they ought to be rounded up, put in jail, and one by one investigated — if they are found to be involved in anything illegal then they should be prosecuted;  if guilty a good long perioed in a sweltering camp in the California desert would do just fine.

  124. The president needs to very quietly declare MS-13 a “clear and present danger” to the safety and security of the people of the United States. This would allow military special operations forces to deal with them and they don’t carry handcuffs. This is highly unlikely in the very liberal country in which we live where someones rights might be violated and the safety and lives of innocent people comes in a distant second.

  125. MS-13? Sounds like a feminine hygene product.  Mexico good for tacos, tequlia and putas.

  126. It is a hurting thing when children feal the need to belong.  They need to know that they are loved.  Belong to gang Jesus Christ.  Make somethjing of yourselves and love who you are.  See when it all goes down and you go to prison, your homees won’t be there. And prison ain’t all that is crackked up to be-they have rules and regulations-and u will follow them or get broke down.

  127. The gangs exist because liberals want them to.    It’s simple–if they didn’t and capital punishment was not undermined (and these false notions of constant rehabilitation at the taxpayer and victim’s expense) ….

    …then quicker death sentences on gang members might be a better deterrent than the jail time they use now?   How’s that working?

  128. Round up every single one of these miscreants, male and female, bring all of our troops home from Afghanistan and send these poor excuses for human beings in their place.  If they make it out alive, ok, if they don’t nothing will be lost.

  129. I am OK with killing every gang member we can find.  Forget the drug war.  Kill them all.  Why do I need a person on my earth who thinks its OK to walk up and shoot someone because they think he is in a rival gang?  Don’t need them.

  130. if we sent all the mexicans back to mexico,and all thje africans back to africa,heck,America would bne a much safer and nicer place for Americans!

  131. MS-13 should be designated a terrorist organization and its members sent to cuba for permanent incarceration or simply put down like a sick puppy.

  132. Not worried about them setting foot in east Detroit,the whole community will shut them down,they’ll stand out like a palm tree trying to grow in mud.

  133. I have a simple answer and I guarantee no one will like it. But it will stop the violence and save lives. Treat them like the cancer they are. Arrest as many of them as possible and instead of deporting them, take them to a “holding/deportation” facility. Fire up the cyanide gas and kill them all. Then feed the bodies into incinerators. Yes it is the nazi solution and it may be horrific, but I bet if you do this for a couple of months. ALL gang problems will go away immediately.  They wont go back to their home countries and become stronger, they wont kill innocent teens, they wont rape innocent women, they wont kill store owners for fun.  They are cancer and you must get the cancer out, before it destroys the entire public body. 

  134. This gang is illegals, if the ins would do its job and rid the country of them this gang would disappear.

  135. and do the liberals that want these vermin allowed to stay in MY Country take credit for inflicting these low life cowardly beasts?

  136. A good way to end this is to lock all gang members in a big room and give them each a loaded gun – problem solved–

  137.  Its true – the so called Drug War is Not Helping it is actually creating bigger and better opportunity foir organzed crime – gangs (duh!)There have been so many documentories/movies/stories/diarys, etc. etc. on gangs and booze or drugs – the one common denominator is that they (the gangs!!!!) never want prohibition (whether booze or drugs) to end – so ends profitability when common sense prevails (the ones who are afraid that we will become this drug crazed, sodimizing, hallucinating, lazy unproductive stupid society are living in a very narrow, highly biased world of paranoia (and ignorance). First it is all very Drawinian (in its entirety) and second but most importantly it is a patent Lie by the real money makers (owners of very expensive tax payer paid hotels that need to stay filled to capacity and beyond  – aka Prisons!!!!!) People don’t be stupid – we will not self destruct with something that has been at/in the core of our being since to dawn – that is drugs!!! (I hate to sound like a drug monger – I am not – I am a common sense person who has a lot of faith in freedom (Freedom!!!!!)It is supply and demand (simple as that) the demand will never die so why are we creating an even more lucrative enterprise for gangs (is very perplexing) – anyway eliminate the taboo and about 90% of this will go away (just like the repeal of Prohibition – so many people died or were imprisoned over alcohol offenses – (it really is/was very very sad) – Same for all the marijuana users etc that are in prison (right now). Me thinks me smell conspiracy (privatization of prisons and enforcement of bad law and brainwashing every gullible police officer and citizen with (archaic laws) and laughable scientific understandingAnyway Drug War or Profit War or War on Intellect – pick your poison

  138. Imagine this gang in the U.S started in extremly liberal,no morals,no nuts,California…The place is bankrupt…The jails are full of illeagles and MS-13 people…They recrute 12 and 13 year olds around school yards…They murder,rape and intimidate…They are terrorists amongst us…They threatin withen our boarders…The constitution says to protect from all enemys both foreign and domestic…Wead these sociopaths out any way we can…

  139. Uh-huh. End the drug war and all of a sudden these animals will become choir boys. What sheer idiocy. The cops and the feds know who these cowardly scum are…but it’s not PC to arrest them and throw them into prison where they belong for the rest of their squalid lives. Doing so would be “racist” and, in the meantime, people get butchered and the streets of L.A. continue to be war zones. I live in L.A. and I know. Viva La Raza!

    1. No, they won’t become choir boys, but without the profits from the black market, they won’t be able to afford guns, and they won’t be able to recruit new members.  

      Beyond that, if we would start paying attention to what our government does in its ill-advised foreign adventures, as our founding fathers warned us to avoid, we wouldn’t have the blow back falling on our citizenry.  

      Here’s how the scam works: multinational corporations suborn our federal government to implement theft of a 3rd world country’s resources.  Then when the citizens of that country get righteously upset at the theft, they are terrorized into submission by our government and military.  Understandably they have grudge against the US, but who gets to feel the brunt of that anger?  The CEOs of the pillaging multinationals?  Not bloody likely!  

      No, the lower and lower middle classes of the US pay the price for the misdeeds of those at the highest levels of government and business.  This has been going on for over 100 years, and needs to stop.  Read Smedley Butler if you don’t believe me.  But it won’t.  The citizens of the US are too brainwashed with religion and astroturfed liberal vs. conservative nonsense to oppose the real problems.

      Sorry to bash your fantasy world, but that’s the truth of the matter.

      1. You’re an idiot.  Why would anyone listen to your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

  140. Uh-huh. End the drug war and all of a sudden these animals will become choir boys. What sheer idiocy. The cops and the feds know who these cowardly scum are…but it’s not PC to arrest them and throw them into prison where they belong for the rest of their squalid lives. Doing so would be “racist” and, in the meantime, people get butchered and the streets of L.A. continue to be war zones. I live in L.A. and I know. Viva La Raza!

  141. From the article:
    The beginnings of MS-13 date from the 1980s, when more than a million
    Salvadoran refugees fled their war-wracked homeland for safe haven in
    the United States. Many settled in the barrios of Los Angeles, where
    they were preyed upon by the city’s turf-conscious Mexican and black
    gangs. The young immigrants banded together for protection. Armed with
    machetes and guns, their violent methods quickly established them as the
    city’s dominant gang. Since then, MS-13 has opened its ranks to
    Hispanics of all origins, and branched out into organized rackets such
    as car chopping, immigrant smuggling (mainly bringing Mexicans into the
    United States) and drug dealing.

    Our first mistake is constantly allowing “refugees” to flood in to our country. The second is not dealing with these, less than human, animals quickly and decisively. Just send out hit squads and begin eliminating them. We as US citizens demand our safety! No more liberal justice and worthless deportations. Execute them!

    1. I’m far from prejudice but this catch 22 is something else we can’t get away with this crap in there countries, and if we have to defend ourselves and kill one of these fools we face life in prison but they just get deported that is some bull. I mean stop letting these pregnant women come over here and have there babies making them american and creating havoc on our streets. I always here about blacks on welfare and I just think there are more illegals on welfare and I mean illegal whatever no certain race. The violence that you heard may shock you but I see it all the time and put down all the blacks you want but pay attention who is in the suburbs doing the crimes. The weed houses the welfare fraud the meth transporting human smuggling and senseless killings. Blacks aint off the hook but we have been outnumbered on crime a long time ago and when we did the most crime we recieved chicken feed athletes pay riches no wealth. so i’m just saying you have all these illegals some in high places helping others of there kind but they good because stooping a black man for smoking some weed has become more important than stopping that illegal with a car made of meth or weed or whatever. Anyway crime is crime I understand but illegals committing crime is just out of control especially when americans die and get treated like crap in there countries lets be treated equal do to them what they would do to us whatever that may be.

      1. you keep saying black black black like you ero s do no crime or do drugs its proof more of you ero s are on aid than blacks i live aroud a mixed comm and their s more of you ero s on drugs doing crimes on aid than anyone eles look around befor you talk    like you ero s are saints ha ha

      2. you keep saying black black black like you ero s do no crime or do drugs its proof more of you ero s are on aid than blacks i live aroud a mixed comm and their s more of you ero s on drugs doing crimes on aid than anyone eles look around befor you talk    like you ero s are saints ha ha

    2. This gang grew out of the 1980s civil war in El Salvador – Right Wing Conservatives in El Salvador impilemented “Death Squads” against these criminals/Marxists – Death Squads are effective – so the gangs/Marxists prefer to move to LA, then to Salt Lake City where there are not (yet) any death squads.

    3. This gang grew out of the 1980s civil war in El Salvador – Right Wing Conservatives in El Salvador impilemented “Death Squads” against these criminals/Marxists – Death Squads are effective – so the gangs/Marxists prefer to move to LA, then to Salt Lake City where there are not (yet) any death squads.

    4. This gang grew out of the 1980s civil war in El Salvador – Right Wing Conservatives in El Salvador impilemented “Death Squads” against these criminals/Marxists – Death Squads are effective – so the gangs/Marxists prefer to move to LA, then to Salt Lake City where there are not (yet) any death squads.

    5. This gang grew out of the 1980s civil war in El Salvador – Right Wing Conservatives in El Salvador impilemented “Death Squads” against these criminals/Marxists – Death Squads are effective – so the gangs/Marxists prefer to move to LA, then to Salt Lake City where there are not (yet) any death squads.

    6. This gang grew out of the 1980s civil war in El Salvador – Right Wing Conservatives in El Salvador impilemented “Death Squads” against these criminals/Marxists – Death Squads are effective – so the gangs/Marxists prefer to move to LA, then to Salt Lake City where there are not (yet) any death squads.

    7. This gang grew out of the 1980s civil war in El Salvador – Right Wing Conservatives in El Salvador impilemented “Death Squads” against these criminals/Marxists – Death Squads are effective – so the gangs/Marxists prefer to move to LA, then to Salt Lake City where there are not (yet) any death squads.

    8. This gang grew out of the 1980s civil war in El Salvador – Right Wing Conservatives in El Salvador impilemented “Death Squads” against these criminals/Marxists – Death Squads are effective – so the gangs/Marxists prefer to move to LA, then to Salt Lake City where there are not (yet) any death squads.

    9. It’s not as easy as you think. There is a plethora of them. People in El Salvador don’t even go outside of their homes. Their curfews are 6 p.m. These people are terrorizing not just The United States, but several other countries. You can’t just say “execute them,” without really doing the proper research, you can’t eliminate them. They’re a plague! They’ve killed many family members. Some of them being mine. What I wouldn’t give to have them all eliminated. But it’s just not that easy. It just isn’t.

  142. MS-13 is the worst gang on the streets…as far as anchorage,ak. In my opinion…suspend individule freedoms concerning known gang members and instead of jailing them…give them thier own medicine…shoot them in the head…any other way is cuddleing…only a COWARD would use a gun in a fight or attack…in Russia…during communisim…they just simply shot ’em…in China…they do the same…do it here…see how fast these scumbags disappear.

    1. true. weknow who they are,sojust gomout an dhunt them down like the animals that they are. kill them. one by one.

      1. don’t kill them one by one. just make them dig their own graves and shoot them all or bury them alive in one massive grave. no need to label.

  143. MS-13 is the worst gang on the streets…as far as anchorage,ak. In my opinion…suspend individule freedoms concerning known gang members and instead of jailing them…give them thier own medicine…shoot them in the head…any other way is cuddleing…only a COWARD would use a gun in a fight or attack…in Russia…during communisim…they just simply shot ’em…in China…they do the same…do it here…see how fast these scumbags disappear.

  144. To author Sam Dealey –

    Thank you for the terrific article.

    But for the record, this isn’t the most “vicious” gang in America, although they are truly despicable.

    The worst “gang” in our nation is the appalling volume of misbehaving & criminal physicians, who number well over 200,000* and who in fact injure and kill 400+ innocent citizens per day.

    There is a book out called “Americas Dumbest Doctors” and although there is plenty of humor in its pages, the underlying reality is truly horrible.

    A criminal in a lab coat can do a remarkable amount of damage befor he – or she – is finally caught.

    1. EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read this article.  The staff at Stanford left my child disabled, and all they can tell me now is they have more information about it but can’t let me read it because it’s “confidential”.  In other words, they’re hiding incompetence with their legal staff for financial reasons.  PatricParamedic, you’re absolutely right.

      1. Accidents can happen. There are always some risks to any surgical procedure. Occasionally. there are some very bad outcomes.

    2.  To Author Patric Paramedic,

      One issue has nothing to do with the other.

    3.  To Author Patric Paramedic,

      One issue has nothing to do with the other.

  145. Eliminate their funding?. The government makes too much off these gangs, drugs and numerous other illegal activities to stop them. 

  146. Eliminate their funding?. The government makes too much off these gangs, drugs and numerous other illegal activities to stop them. 

  147. These gangs are funded by the drug war.  Why not eliminate their funding and make them go away?  End the drug war now!  It’s about time we started to take back our communities from the criminals.

    1. Yes it is unbelievably funny that stuff like marijuana is involved ;-) What a monster have the puritans built. However, legalizing this in the future or changing the laws will equal cutting at least one of the two hands the gangs have available.

        1.  Um, they were puritans, but that’s a generic term used to refer to self-righteous fundamentalist Christians.

        2.  Um, they were puritans, but that’s a generic term used to refer to self-righteous fundamentalist Christians.

          1. So people who happen to disagree with you are your worst enemy? What type of society do you want? Let’s legalize all drugs, prostitution, euthanasia and get it out of the way. Will that eliminate poverty, suffering or disease? We know there hideous examples of people who claimed to be Christians that have left a very bad stain on human history but it cuts both ways; the 60 million people killed by Mao, the 70 million killed by the soviet era were motivated by governments that did not believe the in the existance of God–that is not even arguable. Sir, I do not hate you because you disagree with me over spiritual issues however your generalizations have serious implications. Remove Christian morality out of the way as you would like:  Remember, the Communist era where God was removed from society did not change the constant’s of human nature; What medicine for greed, selfishness, lust and a lack of self control can you give? You might live to see what you want: An American society where Christianity is crushed and reduced to having no influence at all but when you need mercy where will you get it? When you need help will your fellow hedonists give it to you or follow your Darwinian creed: The weak must die. When you start to desire meaning, relationships and love and you will—-even the most strident of the athiest crusaders have admitted to that desire–you will have no where to turn. Disagreement is not hatred–if you claim to be as tolerant as you say you are then you would not lash out the way you do.

          2. I heartell there no atheists in the foxhole in war, they all pray!

          3.  More drivel, I’ve been an Atheist in a foxhole and never prayed. Does fear make you change your worldview ? As for me, I operate with logic and reason.

          4. GOD bless you, so do I operate with logic and reason, and that is why I know that GOD exists.

          5. Sit back and wait for GOD to protect us… I don’t think so! The faithful are unable to think outside the box they’ve locked themselves into. We that can relate to other influences other than the “Word of God” are more capable of coming to logical conclusions and solutions based on ALL the information and not just what is taught in Sunday school.

          6. You have made a crucial point, but, know this, creationism and evolution go hand in hand, they are inseparable, and so logic should tell one that the binary argument that forces one to choose one over the other is wasted on those too ignorant to think in dynamic terms.

          7.  The Communists didn’t kill anyone because they didn’t believe in a god, they killed them for political reasons. The Church however has a long history of killing people for their god, or for believing in the wrong god.  If the best that you religious people can do is compare yourselves to political murderers you might want to wonder just where your god is while all of this is going on. Where was god when the Catholic Church was torturing and murdering untold numbers of people during the Inquisition ?  Where is Allah when the Taliban is throwing acid in young girls faces ? You people and your imaginary gods are the ones with the issues. Jails aren’t full of Atheists, they’re full of people who believe in gods. I feel sad for people who think that fear of some spirit equals morality. I don’t need to be scared of some god to be a moral, ethical person, how pathetic for you that you do and how puny of a mind must you have to think that morality comes from religion. Human morality long predates any of your superstitions, even social animals behave morally within their groups.. If belief in some supernatural spirit and fear of its punishment is what keeps you from behaving like a barbarian then you should be ashamed.

          8.  The Communists didn’t kill anyone because they didn’t believe in a god, they killed them for political reasons. The Church however has a long history of killing people for their god, or for believing in the wrong god.  If the best that you religious people can do is compare yourselves to political murderers you might want to wonder just where your god is while all of this is going on. Where was god when the Catholic Church was torturing and murdering untold numbers of people during the Inquisition ?  Where is Allah when the Taliban is throwing acid in young girls faces ? You people and your imaginary gods are the ones with the issues. Jails aren’t full of Atheists, they’re full of people who believe in gods. I feel sad for people who think that fear of some spirit equals morality. I don’t need to be scared of some god to be a moral, ethical person, how pathetic for you that you do and how puny of a mind must you have to think that morality comes from religion. Human morality long predates any of your superstitions, even social animals behave morally within their groups.. If belief in some supernatural spirit and fear of its punishment is what keeps you from behaving like a barbarian then you should be ashamed.

          9. Not true at all, Sir.  I am 37 and I can remember when the Russian(communist) government was hanging Christian missionaries in Moscow sqaure.  That was about 30 years ago.  Our missionaries were forced to devise a variety of secret signs and such in order to operate. The Communist government allowed church services, but only one song could be sung. This was circumvented by the congregants using one song as a verse and one as a chorus.  Yes, the Communists DID arrest and sentence people based on their religeous conviction.  I don’t wish any of this for OUR Country.

          10. Jawal, what an articulate response. I think civilized thought and behavior in society is devolving around the globe–not just in the US. It seems as though every issue is being tried in the court of uninformed public opinion and mob rule is taking over.
            Thanks

          11. How idiotic some of these arguments. Stop the drug trade funding for instance. How can we, as a society, stop every recreational drug user from buying their illicit drugs? How can we stop every drug addict from the next purchase?  Talk is cheap!  

          12. usa should go after ms13 and all gangs just like they sendtroops to middle east and take on taliban,insurgents and other terrorist organizations,rid the country of all gangs.if a good citizen pops one of them,that citizen will be grilled by prosecutors etc,those are so far removed from this stuff.Peace Tony of detroit

          13. i believe all thugs in the country that wanna do drive bys,robberies with weapons etc,should be given a sidearm or rifle and dropped off in afghanistan,and anywhere the taliban is,these folk will shoot back…you dig
            Peace Tony of detroit

          14. tony, yeah but used to be some ms13 had more combat experience than the kids volunteering for afghanistan. simply, a number of original ms13 came out of the fmln guerrilla org.

            right now i’d be more concerned about the gulf cartel [and sometimes partners, the zetas] than ms 13.

          15.  Jawal,
            Very well said. Americans like this guy are very comfortable and have no idea…yet. They will though.

          16. the only way to get these punk kids that like drive by shootings,and making life miserble for the hard working stiff like you and me and every-one else is to ask the Govenor to declare Martial law with US TROOPS AND OR RESERVES OR NATIONAL GUARDMANS to patrol our streets and take it back,give them the order to stop and surrender or be  shot,the GANGS don’t give mercy to us then we don’t need to give them mercy,they like to make it open season on us when they randomly shoot a innocent by-stander, then let’s make it the same for them,shoot first ask questions later,that is if they are still alive,maybe the gangs will come to realize that it’s the ones who want to be gang members that it is open season on them and all the rest of their kind,let them know that it’s time to take back our streets and we are no longer going to stand by and let you get away with it,no more preaching to the LORD ALMIGHTY to help us or the Police who’s hands are tied with the laws,with saying you have the right to a attorney,BULL-SHIT take don’t give us any rights when they shoot at us or attack us cause we just happen to look like a gang member,yes people it’s time if it walks and talks like a GANG-BANGER then treat him like he wants to be treated  shoot first and then don’t ask questions shoot him again.

          17.  Thank you for posting this. The most intolerant are those extreme liberals who think the world is sick because of white Christians. Ridiculous and ignorant!

            What kind of society would it be if crack and meth were legal? Even marijuana, an light drug, has its implications.

            On one hand, I agree with ending the drug war; it’s expensive, and some of the laws are too harsh. On the other hand, I don’t want to live next to drug addicts. Even if drugs were legalized, addicts would still steal and kill for their next fix.

          18. No, religion is a crutch for people too weak or afraid to stand on their own.  BTW that is a paraphrased quote from Dr. Robert A. Heinlein rip……

          19.  Way to go Jawal.  You just gave him fuel to feed his fire.  Could you sound any more self righteous?  So people who happen to disagree with you are hedonist?  Talk about lashing out!  You when the prize.   The leap you made from legalizing pot to legalizing prostitution and euthanasia shows you don’t have a clue.  The war on drugs has not even slowed the flow.  It has only made drugs a bigger cash cow. The more money involved, the more blood on the ground.  I learned my point of view by having my boots on the ground fighting the war against drugs for 22 years. You cannot eliminate the flow of drugs.  You can eliminate profit through legalization.  Regulate and tax drugs just like alcohol.   Alcohol and drug abuse are social problems.  As a Christian myself, I advise that you spend less time admonishing others and more time learning how you can help.

          20. I am not a beleiver, although I once was when I was young. Your words have moved me and make complete sense. However, the blogger was saying that drugs should be legalized to cripple foreign and domestic threats. The truly pious can stay, but the hipocritical politicians who claim to be pious, but only do so to remain in power…

          21. “An American society where Christianity is crushed and reduced to having
            no influence at all but when you need mercy where will you get it? When
            you need help will your fellow hedonists give it to you or follow your
            Darwinian creed: The weak must die. When you start to desire meaning,
            relationships and love and you will—-even the most strident of the
            athiest crusaders have admitted to that desire–you will have no where
            to turn.

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
            That is the stupidest diatribe I have ever read. 

            You christians can influence each other all  you want.  Leave the rest of us alone and stay out of civil matters.  Frankly your churches are so overly involved with politics these days that I feel the tax exempt status should be removed.  Holy Jeebus that could really help the national debt.  Collect all of the property taxes that rightfully should be collected.

          22. Jawal, I am sorry that I am a few weeks too late to congratulate you personally however, since this thread is still up, I will congratulate your words now.  Yes, you are right: Christianaity and the good works that arise from it are being overthrown in favor of a “survivor of the fittest” sort of mentality.  Ultimately, the world will pay for this.  When I was a schoolboy very little in the way of attrocious behavior was ever seen.  Now, this horrible behaviour is not only accepted, but to some degree even encouraged by the ugly trash that comes out of Hollywood.  Your reference to Communism reminds me of some things I read about the schools of Russia some years ago: the government-run schools would have two bubble gum machines in a room. One of these was labeled “GOD” and the other was labeled “GOVERNMENT”. The school made certain that the “GOD” machine was broken.  All this in an effort to convince the children that God doesn’t exist and that all treats come from the government.

          23. Morality can be present or absent in ALL religious faiths, as well as in people who do not believe in any deities.  There’s no such thing as “Christian Morality”, or “Islamic Morality”, or “Hedonistic Depravity”.  Only non-believers are capable of depravity and all christians are GOOD?  Really?  Care to count the little Catholic boys in therapy due to the depravity of their priests?  There is only morality or lack of it. There is basic humanity and compassion along with respect for other living creatures, and there’s evil. Evil exists in ALL faiths as well as all lack of faith.  Religion doesn’t make one person better than another, nor does it make one worse.  It is the acts you perpetrate in your life, and the way you treat others that make you a worthwhile person, or a blight on the Earth.  Yes, I DO believe that my non-christian friends are just as likely to help me if I am in need as are my christian friends.  Why?  Because I choose my friends not on what deity they worship, or don’t worship, but by the way they treat myself and others around them.

            It is people who think that only THEY are right, and only THEY are moral who are the most dangerous to the rest of humanity.  Compare the extremist christians to the gangs.  What are the similarities?  The most glaringly obvious one is intolerance for any persons other then their own members.  “Only MY congregation of believers is right, and the rest are going to hell!” isn’t any different than, “Only MY gang members can walk through the neighborhood, and the rest are getting shot!”

            Legalization of marijuana WOULD decrease gang activity.  If it is regulated and taxed, there’s no real reason for gangs to fight over who is gonna sell it where.  Hell, people can just grow their own.  It is no more harmful than alcohol, and people home brew or make their own wine all the time.  

          24. Morality can be present or absent in ALL religious faiths, as well as in people who do not believe in any deities.  There’s no such thing as “Christian Morality”, or “Islamic Morality”, or “Hedonistic Depravity”.  Only non-believers are capable of depravity and all christians are GOOD?  Really?  Care to count the little Catholic boys in therapy due to the depravity of their priests?  There is only morality or lack of it. There is basic humanity and compassion along with respect for other living creatures, and there’s evil. Evil exists in ALL faiths as well as all lack of faith.  Religion doesn’t make one person better than another, nor does it make one worse.  It is the acts you perpetrate in your life, and the way you treat others that make you a worthwhile person, or a blight on the Earth.  Yes, I DO believe that my non-christian friends are just as likely to help me if I am in need as are my christian friends.  Why?  Because I choose my friends not on what deity they worship, or don’t worship, but by the way they treat myself and others around them.

            It is people who think that only THEY are right, and only THEY are moral who are the most dangerous to the rest of humanity.  Compare the extremist christians to the gangs.  What are the similarities?  The most glaringly obvious one is intolerance for any persons other then their own members.  “Only MY congregation of believers is right, and the rest are going to hell!” isn’t any different than, “Only MY gang members can walk through the neighborhood, and the rest are getting shot!”

            Legalization of marijuana WOULD decrease gang activity.  If it is regulated and taxed, there’s no real reason for gangs to fight over who is gonna sell it where.  Hell, people can just grow their own.  It is no more harmful than alcohol, and people home brew or make their own wine all the time.  

          25. Morality can be present or absent in ALL religious faiths, as well as in people who do not believe in any deities.  There’s no such thing as “Christian Morality”, or “Islamic Morality”, or “Hedonistic Depravity”.  Only non-believers are capable of depravity and all christians are GOOD?  Really?  Care to count the little Catholic boys in therapy due to the depravity of their priests?  There is only morality or lack of it. There is basic humanity and compassion along with respect for other living creatures, and there’s evil. Evil exists in ALL faiths as well as all lack of faith.  Religion doesn’t make one person better than another, nor does it make one worse.  It is the acts you perpetrate in your life, and the way you treat others that make you a worthwhile person, or a blight on the Earth.  Yes, I DO believe that my non-christian friends are just as likely to help me if I am in need as are my christian friends.  Why?  Because I choose my friends not on what deity they worship, or don’t worship, but by the way they treat myself and others around them.

            It is people who think that only THEY are right, and only THEY are moral who are the most dangerous to the rest of humanity.  Compare the extremist christians to the gangs.  What are the similarities?  The most glaringly obvious one is intolerance for any persons other then their own members.  “Only MY congregation of believers is right, and the rest are going to hell!” isn’t any different than, “Only MY gang members can walk through the neighborhood, and the rest are getting shot!”

            Legalization of marijuana WOULD decrease gang activity.  If it is regulated and taxed, there’s no real reason for gangs to fight over who is gonna sell it where.  Hell, people can just grow their own.  It is no more harmful than alcohol, and people home brew or make their own wine all the time.  

          26. Morality can be present or absent in ALL religious faiths, as well as in people who do not believe in any deities.  There’s no such thing as “Christian Morality”, or “Islamic Morality”, or “Hedonistic Depravity”.  Only non-believers are capable of depravity and all christians are GOOD?  Really?  Care to count the little Catholic boys in therapy due to the depravity of their priests?  There is only morality or lack of it. There is basic humanity and compassion along with respect for other living creatures, and there’s evil. Evil exists in ALL faiths as well as all lack of faith.  Religion doesn’t make one person better than another, nor does it make one worse.  It is the acts you perpetrate in your life, and the way you treat others that make you a worthwhile person, or a blight on the Earth.  Yes, I DO believe that my non-christian friends are just as likely to help me if I am in need as are my christian friends.  Why?  Because I choose my friends not on what deity they worship, or don’t worship, but by the way they treat myself and others around them.

            It is people who think that only THEY are right, and only THEY are moral who are the most dangerous to the rest of humanity.  Compare the extremist christians to the gangs.  What are the similarities?  The most glaringly obvious one is intolerance for any persons other then their own members.  “Only MY congregation of believers is right, and the rest are going to hell!” isn’t any different than, “Only MY gang members can walk through the neighborhood, and the rest are getting shot!”

            Legalization of marijuana WOULD decrease gang activity.  If it is regulated and taxed, there’s no real reason for gangs to fight over who is gonna sell it where.  Hell, people can just grow their own.  It is no more harmful than alcohol, and people home brew or make their own wine all the time.  

          27. Morality can be present or absent in ALL religious faiths, as well as in people who do not believe in any deities.  There’s no such thing as “Christian Morality”, or “Islamic Morality”, or “Hedonistic Depravity”.  Only non-believers are capable of depravity and all christians are GOOD?  Really?  Care to count the little Catholic boys in therapy due to the depravity of their priests?  There is only morality or lack of it. There is basic humanity and compassion along with respect for other living creatures, and there’s evil. Evil exists in ALL faiths as well as all lack of faith.  Religion doesn’t make one person better than another, nor does it make one worse.  It is the acts you perpetrate in your life, and the way you treat others that make you a worthwhile person, or a blight on the Earth.  Yes, I DO believe that my non-christian friends are just as likely to help me if I am in need as are my christian friends.  Why?  Because I choose my friends not on what deity they worship, or don’t worship, but by the way they treat myself and others around them.

            It is people who think that only THEY are right, and only THEY are moral who are the most dangerous to the rest of humanity.  Compare the extremist christians to the gangs.  What are the similarities?  The most glaringly obvious one is intolerance for any persons other then their own members.  “Only MY congregation of believers is right, and the rest are going to hell!” isn’t any different than, “Only MY gang members can walk through the neighborhood, and the rest are getting shot!”

            Legalization of marijuana WOULD decrease gang activity.  If it is regulated and taxed, there’s no real reason for gangs to fight over who is gonna sell it where.  Hell, people can just grow their own.  It is no more harmful than alcohol, and people home brew or make their own wine all the time.  

          28. Thank you very much, jawalbaxter, I needed that response today. Almond

          29. Thank you very much, jawalbaxter, I needed that response today. Almond

          30. Sir JawalBaxter, I just want to compliment you on your spiritual outlook in life. We need more people with your understanding of Life. 

          31. Governments can not believe things. Governments dont do things. People are responsible for good and bad. People do good and bad things for many reasons. Not believing things is not a reason that people do bad things. Wanting power is a reason people do bad things. Religious and non-religious people have done bad things for power. Power corrupts.

            There is no such thing as “Christian Morality”. There is Christine Doctrine. Obataining salvation for believing something is true is hardly moral. Actions and how you treat people is the only way you can exhibit morals. Obtaining forgiveness after a life of wrong doing is hardly a moral way to live. Obtaining eternal damnation for a life of good deeds because you are an illiterate sheep hearder on the Tibetan country side and failed to hear John 3:16 and believe it is hardly just.

            I

          32. So….where is your point about MS-13, besides being a rightwing nut case?

          33. Plenty of support for social Darwinism on the Christian Right, old boy. There’s evidence on most every active message board.

      1. Yes let’s have more potheads running around,killing ,robbing and beating people so they can go to walmarts to buy their pot, then make Crack legal, then Cocaine,then heroine, that will cut down on the drug dealers, BULLCRAP,BRAINLESS

        1. Potheads killing people?? Has a pot head ever killed anyone? That is crazy talk.

          1. truly.  Making pot legal would chill people out.  Plus, pizza companies and snack food manufacturers would make 3x the money they do now.

        2.  Your an idiot, Smae thing happened with alcohol, What are you talking about.

        3. “Yes let’s have more potheads running around,killing ,robbing and beating people”

          Wow you are a comedic genius!  That one really had me laughing.  Oh wait.. it just dawned on me that you may have actually been serious.  Okay, I will bite…  Please show your evidence that “potheads” do these types of things.  Oh, and by the way the “Reefer Madness” movie is not a legitimate source of factual info.

          “then make Crack legal, then Cocaine,then heroine, that will cut down on the drug dealers”

          There you do have a valid point.  However, it will not just cut down on the drug dealers, it will ELIMINATE them.

          “BRAINLESS”

          Okay, now I think you’re being a little too hard on yourself.  Just make some sort of effort to educate yourself a little bit.  Read a few scientific studies or articles that reference them.

      2. Not true. refer to the news and ample stories of legalized marijuana. Criminal oragnizations will run them to further fund their criminal organization’s efforts, They launder and/or raise revenue for their gangs.  

        1. Actually the end of prohibition got the mob activity out of the liquor business for the most part.  Although the gangs in the 20’s era dressed better…….People think of gang/mob activity as something new.  Apparently we did not learn from history and as it is said…..are now doomed to make the same mistake….

      3.  YOUR MONSTER IS UNSEEN. WAIT UNTIL YOU MEET HIM. YOU’LL EITHER CRY FOR GOD, OR MAMA.

    2. Daveholio you said it man….  This isn’t even a war on drugs because wars end, this will never end we will keep butting our heads against a brick wall. 

    3. lolo Daveholio,, I can’t help but be amused at how unimformed some people are. WELLL That wont work because the smoke and mirrors blown up your A(*& by the government that the government brings more drugs into America than any yyy cartel. The left wing nutjobs would moan piss and whine if law enforcement started taking them out,, soooooooooooooooooooo whats next

      1. I read that several times and can’t understand what you’re trying to say.  Perhaps you can restate that in coherent English?

        What am I uninformed about?  I presume you support the Drug War?  You seriously want us to keep pouring hundreds of billions of tax dollars annually into a bottomless pit (including funneling immense quantities of cash out of the US to foreign drug cartels, which they use to buy guns, bribe officials, hire new members and spread their influence) to fight a war that slaughters innocents by the thousands, that cannot be won and will continue forever, that achieves no positive results, yet spreads violence, death, corruption and misery Worldwide?  I think there are better uses for our public funds.  Why not fund schools and other important services instead?  The cartels are now spreading to US cities.  As long as the Drug War continues it’s only a matter of time until they set up shop in yours!

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        Jerryharmon (unregistered) wrote, in response to Daveholio:
        lolo Daveholio,, I can’t help but be amused at how unimformed some people are. WELLL That wont work because the smoke and mirrors blown up your A(*& by the government that the government brings more drugs into America than any yyy cartel. The left wing nutjobs would moan piss and whine if law enforcement started taking them out,, soooooooooooooooooooo whats next Link to comment

    4. Sorry, that won’t turn them into boyscouts. You take them out with superior firepower!

    5. Like legalizing alcohol made the mafia go away?  Good point chimp, here’s your banana.

      1. What a great analogy!  Today’s situation is identical, isn’t it?  Back then, there was no organized crime (before Prohibition).  The USA was ripe for the picking with tons of untapped criminal opportunities.
        Currently, we have given them something that is far cheaper to produce, with profit margins that are orders of magnitude higher, and much simpler to smuggle, distribute and get away with.  If you think the drug gangs can shift their criminal activities totally from drugs to other crimes and still maintain even a fraction of their current income or size, you are SERIOUSLY deluded.  Don’t forget that any other criminal enterprise today that you can name ALREADY has OTHER criminals involved that these newly-jobless drug gangs are going to have to compete with.  How exactly do you imagine they will continue to profit hundreds of billions per year?
        You, Sir, are the chimp, but you didn’t come close to earning a banana!

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        Red wrote, in response to Daveholio:
        Like legalizing alcohol made the mafia go away?  Good point chimp, here’s your banana. Link to comment

    6. I generally agree with your thinking, but not totally. Drugs do fund them, but not only drugs fund them. We need to address them, as a whole, all their funding and all of them, not a part of what keeps them going.  

    7. The best way to end the drug war is to legalize pot.  Considering the majority of scientists and the medical professional feel it’s no worse for you than alcohol, why wouldn’t we?  Why wouldn’t we regulate it, create jobs and tax revenue, and at the same time severely decrease gang and violence?

    8. We must close our borders, but that will never happen since our government IS involved in the drug trade. Just ask maxine waters, she knows only too well

      1.  Sorry, but that is just wishful thinking.  There is no way to ‘close our borders’ and keep drugs from coming across.  Any measures we can possibly take will simply result in people finding a way around them.  We can’t even keep drugs out of our prisons!  It just shows the futility of it all.  You definitely hit the nail on the head however.. the government is involved in the drug trade and also entire industries have developed that are completely dependent on prohibition.

      2.  Sorry, but that is just wishful thinking.  There is no way to ‘close our borders’ and keep drugs from coming across.  Any measures we can possibly take will simply result in people finding a way around them.  We can’t even keep drugs out of our prisons!  It just shows the futility of it all.  You definitely hit the nail on the head however.. the government is involved in the drug trade and also entire industries have developed that are completely dependent on prohibition.

    9. We must close our borders, but that will never happen since our government IS involved in the drug trade. Just ask maxine waters, she knows only too well

    10. We must close our borders, but that will never happen since our government IS involved in the drug trade. Just ask maxine waters, she knows only too well

    11. You and most Americans are both stupid and clueless. Do some research on Amsterdam. They have some of the most liberal drug policies in the world. They also have legalized prostitution.

      According to all the reports, they have about 17 International Gangs involved in the Skin and drug trade.

      The same thing is going to happen in the USA if you legalize drugs.

      Contrary to what you have heard, once you legalize it, it gets worse. Not only that, but you the taxpayer are foot with the bill for all the cleanup.

      The only way to eliminate this scourge is through violent repercussions.

      Like a Cancer, it needs to be stamped out.

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