13+ Things Your Pilot Won’t Tell You

We asked pilots from across the country to give us straight answers about maddening safety rules, inexplicable delays, the air and attitudes up there, and what really happens behind the cockpit door. What they told us will change the way you fly.

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I've been struck by lightning twice.

I've been struck by lightning twice.iStock/Clint Spencer
Most pilots have. Airplanes are built to take it. You hear a big boom and see a big flash and that's it. You're not going to fall out of the sky. Pilot for a regional carrier, Charlotte, North Carolina

You may not be getting the airline you paid for.

You may not be getting the airline you paid for.iStock/martincez
You may go to an airline website and buy a ticket, pull up to its desk at the curb, and get onto an airplane that has a similar name painted on it, but half the time, you're really on a regional airline. The regionals aren't held to the same safety standards as the majors: Their pilots aren't required to have as much training and experience, and the public doesn't know that. Captain at a major airline

If you're a nervous flier, book a morning flight.

If you're a nervous flier, book a morning flight.iStock/cougarsan
The heating of the ground later causes bumpier air, and it's much more likely to thunderstorm in the afternoon. Jerry Johnson, pilot, Los Angeles

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The smoothest place to sit is often over or near the wing.

The smoothest place to sit is often over or near the wing.iStock/Stevo24
The bumpiest place to sit is in the back. A plane is like a seesaw. If you're in the middle, you don't move as much. Patrick Smith, pilot and author of Cockpit Confidential The general flow of air in any airplane is from front to back. So if you're really concerned about breathing the freshest possible air or not getting too hot, sit as close to the front as you can. Planes are generally warmest in the back. Tech pilot at a regional airline, Texas There is no safest place to sit. In one accident, the people in the back are dead; in the next, it's the people up front. John Nance, aviation safety analyst and retired airline captain, Seattle

People don't understand why they can't use their cell phones.

People don't understand why they can't use their cell phones.iStock/PeskyMonkey
Well, what can happen is 12 people will decide to call someone just before landing, and I can get a false reading on my instruments saying that we are higher than we really are. Jim Tilmon, retired American Airlines pilot, Phoenix We don't make you stow your laptop because we're worried about electronic interference. It's about having a projectile on your lap. I don't know about you, but I don't want to get hit in the head by a MacBook going 200 miles per hour. And we're not trying to ruin your fun by making you take off your headphones. We just want you to be able to hear us if there's an emergency. Patrick Smith

Some FAA rules don't make sense to us either.

Some FAA rules don't make sense to us either.iStock/kickimages
Like the fact that when we're at 39,000 feet going 400 miles an hour, in a plane that could hit turbulence at any minute, (flight attendants) can walk around and serve hot coffee and Chateaubriand. But when we're on the ground on a flat piece of asphalt going five to ten miles an hour, they've got to be buckled in like they're at NASCAR. Jack Stephan, US Airways captain based in Annapolis, Maryland, who has been flying since 1984

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It's updrafts, not turbulence, we really worry about.

It's updrafts, not turbulence, we really worry about.iStock/Matus Duda
A plane flies into a massive updraft, which you can't see on the radar at night, and it's like hitting a giant speed bump at 500 miles an hour. It throws everything up in the air and then down very violently. That's not the same as turbulence, which bounces everyone around for a while. John Nance, aviation safety analyst and retired airline captain, Seattle Pilots find it perplexing that so many people are afraid of turbulence. It's all but impossible for turbulence to cause a crash. We avoid turbulence not because we're afraid the wing is going to fall off but because it's annoying. Patrick Smith

Being on time is more important than getting everyone there.

Being on time is more important than getting everyone there.iStock/Bartosz Hadyniak
The Department of Transportation has put such an emphasis on on-time performance that we pretty much aren't allowed to delay a flight anymore, even if there are 20 people on a connecting flight that's coming in just a little late. Commercial pilot, Charlotte, North Carolina No, it's not your imagination: Airlines really have adjusted their flight arrival times so they can have a better record of on-time arrivals. So they might say a flight takes two hours when it really takes an hour and 45 minutes. AirTran Airways captain, Atlanta

I'm constantly under pressure to carry less fuel than I'm comfortable with.

I'm constantly under pressure to carry less fuel than I'm comfortable with.iStock/EdStock
Airlines are always looking at the bottom line, and you burn fuel carrying fuel. Sometimes if you carry just enough fuel and you hit thunderstorms or delays, then suddenly you're running out of gas and you have to go to an alternate airport. Captain at a major airline

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You'll never hear, "One of our engines just failed."

You'll never hear, "One of our engines just failed."iStock/DaveAlan
What they'll say instead: "One of our engines is indicating improperly." (Or more likely, they'll say nothing, and you'll never know the difference. Most planes fly fine with one engine down.) You'll also never hear, "Well, folks, the visibility out there is zero." Instead they'll say: "There's some fog in the Washington area."

There's no such thing as a water landing.

There's no such thing as a water landing.iStock/Mike_Kiev
It's called crashing into the ocean. Pilot, South Carolina

The truth is, we're exhausted.

The truth is, we're exhausted.iStock/vitapix
Our work rules allow us to be on duty 16 hours without a break. That's many more hours than a truck driver. And unlike a truck driver, who can pull over at the next rest stop, we can't pull over at the next cloud. Captain at a major airline Do pilots sleep in (the cockpit)? Definitely. Sometimes it's just a ten-minute catnap, but it happens. John Greaves, airline accident lawyer and former airline captain, Los Angeles When you get on that airplane at 7 a.m., you want your pilot to be rested and ready. But the hotels they put us in now are so bad that there are many nights when I toss and turn. They're in bad neighborhoods, they're loud, they've got bedbugs, and there have been stabbings in the parking lot. Jack Stephan Sometimes the airline won't give us lunch breaks or even time to eat. We have to delay flights just so we can get food. First officer on a regional carrier

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Most people get sick after traveling not because of what they breathe but because of what they touch.

Most people get sick after traveling not because of what they breathe but because of what they touch.iStock/Jodi Jacobson
Always assume that the tray table and the button to push the seat back have not been wiped down, though we do wipe down the lavatory. Patrick Smith

It's one thing if the pilot puts the seat belt sign on for the passengers ...

It's one thing if the pilot puts the seat belt sign on for the passengers ...iStock/shyflygirl
But if he tells the flight attendants to sit down, you'd better listen. That means there's some serious turbulence ahead. John Greaves

Driving is WAY scarier than flying a plane.

Driving is WAY scarier than flying a plane.iStock/michellegibson
People always ask, "What's the scariest thing that's ever happened to you?" I tell them it was a van ride from the Los Angeles airport to the hotel, and I'm not kidding. Jack Stephan

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Most of the time, how you land is a good indicator of a pilot's skill.

Most of the time, how you land is a good indicator of a pilot's skill.iStock/Flightlevel80
So if you want to say something nice to a pilot as you're getting off the plane, say 'Nice landing.' We do appreciate that. Joe D'Eon, a pilot at a major airline who produces a podcast at flywithjoe.com

The two worst airports for us: Reagan National in Washington, D.C., and John Wayne in Orange County, California.

The two worst airports for us: Reagan National in Washington, D.C., and John Wayne in Orange County, California.iStock/Senohrabek
You're flying by the seat of your pants trying to get in and out of those airports. John Wayne is especially bad because the rich folks who live near the airport don't like jet noise, so they have this noise abatement procedure where you basically have to turn the plane into a ballistic missile as soon as you're airborne. Pilot, South Carolina At some airports with really short runways, you're not going to have a smooth landing no matter how good we are: John Wayne Airport; Jackson Hole, Wyoming; Chicago Midway; and Reagan National. Joe D'Eon

Remember: Bad weather exists BETWEEN cities, too

Remember: Bad weather exists BETWEEN cities, tooiStock/EdStock
This happens all the time: We'll be in Pittsburgh going to Philly, and there will be a weather delay. The weather in Pittsburgh is beautiful. Then I'll hear passengers saying, 'You know, I just called my friend in Philly, and it's beautiful there too,' like there's some kind of conspiracy or something. But in the airspace between Pittsburgh and Philly there's a huge thunderstorm. Jack Stephan

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Is traveling with a baby in your lap safe? No.

Is traveling with a baby in your lap safe? No.iStock/RyanJLane
It's extremely dangerous. If there's any impact or deceleration, there's a good chance you're going to lose hold of your kid, and he becomes a projectile. But the government's logic is that if we made you buy an expensive seat for your baby, you'd just drive, and you're more likely to be injured driving than flying. Patrick Smith

Passengers: PLEASE be more mindful of yourself and others.

Passengers: PLEASE be more mindful of yourself and others.iStock/Anna Bryuk
Most of you wouldn't consider going down the highway at 60 miles an hour without your seat belt fastened. But when we're hurtling through the air at 500 miles an hour and we turn off the seat belt sign, half of you take your seat belts off. But if we hit a little air pocket, your head will be on the ceiling. Captain at a major airline If you're going to recline your seat, for God's sake, please check behind you first. You have no idea how many laptops are broken every year by boorish passengers who slam their seat back with total disregard to what’s going on behind them. John Nance

Whatever you pay to fly, we pay more.

Whatever you pay to fly, we pay more.iStock/andresr
Please don't complain to me about your lost bags or the rotten service or that the airline did this or that. My retirement was taken to help subsidize your $39 airfare. Pilot, South Carolina I know pilots who spend a quarter million on their education and training, then that first year as a pilot, they qualify for food stamps. Furloughed first officer, Texas We miss the peanuts too. US Airways pilot, South Carolina

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We don't wear our hats in the cockpit, by the way

We don't wear our hats in the cockpit, by the wayiStock/Tuned_In
On TV and in the comics, you always see these pilots with their hats on, and they have their headsets on over the hat, and that always makes us laugh. Joe D'Eon

There's a good reason for everything we ask you to do.

There's a good reason for everything we ask you to do.iStock/Terraxplorer
We ask you to put up the window shade so the flight attendants can see outside in an emergency, to assess if one side is better for an evacuation. It also lets light into the cabin if it goes dark and helps passengers get oriented if the plane flips or rolls over. Patrick Smith

We hear some dumb things.

We hear some dumb things.iStock/Rich Legg
Here's a news flash: We're not sitting in the cockpit listening to the ball game. Sometimes we can ask the controllers to go to their break room to check the score. But when I fly to Pittsburgh on a Sunday afternoon, the passengers send the flight attendants up at least ten times to ask us the Steelers score. Commercial pilot, Charlotte, North Carolina I am so tired of hearing 'Oh my God, you're a girl pilot.' When you see a black pilot, do you say 'Oh my God, you're a black pilot'? Pilot for a regional carrier People tend to think the airplane is just flying itself. Trust me, that's not true. It can fly by itself sometimes. But you've always got your hands on the controls waiting for it to mess up. And it does mess up. Pilot, South Carolina

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Those buddy passes they give us?

Those buddy passes they give us?iStock/Ceneri
I give them only to my enemies now. Sure, you can get a $1,000 airfare to Seattle for $100. But since you have to fly standby, it will take you three months to get back because you can't get a seat. Pilot, South Carolina

Some insider advice:

Some insider advice:iStock/andresr
I always tell my kids to travel in sturdy shoes. If you have to evacuate and your flip-flops fall off, there you are standing on the hot tarmac or in the weeds in your bare feet. Joe D'Eon Cold on the airplane? Tell your flight attendant. We're in a constant battle with them over the temperature. They're moving all the time, up and down the aisles, so they are always calling and saying, 'Turn up the air.' But most passengers I know are freezing. Captain at a major carrier

Here's the truth about airline jobs:

Here's the truth about airline jobs: iStock/teamtime
You don't have as much time off as your neighbors think you have, you don't make as much money as your relatives think you make, and you don't have as many girlfriends as your wife thinks you have. Still, I can't believe they pay me to do this. Commercial pilot, Charlotte, North Carolina

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Finally, some airline lingo:

Finally, some airline lingo:iStock/Chalabala
Blue juice: The water in the lavatory toilet. "There's no blue juice in the lav." Crotch watch: The required check to make sure all passengers have their seat belts fastened. Also: "groin scan." Crumb crunchers: Kids. "We've got a lot of crumb crunchers on this flight." Deadheading: When an airline employee flies as a passenger for company business. Gate lice: The people who gather around the gate right before boarding so they can be first on the plane. "Oh, the gate lice are thick today." George: Autopilot. I'll let George take over." Landing lips: Female passengers put on their "landing lips" when they use their lipstick just before landing. Pax: Passengers. Spinners: Passengers who get on late and don't have a seat assignment, so they spin around looking for a seat. Two-for-once special: The plane touches down on landing, bounces up, then touches down again. Working the village: Working in coach.

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714 thoughts on “13+ Things Your Pilot Won’t Tell You

  1. My question is where are these $39 airfares?? I know an hour flight between LA and San Jose is $79 at the cheapest and you literally are barely airborne long enough to get the drink service cart down the isle before you are descending. Just curious because I feel really bad someone stole his retirement for those imaginary fares.

  2. Just to be clear, there is no FAA regulation that says you can’t use electronics while on the plane.

    The FAA told the airlines several years ago that they could each determine their own electronics policies. The airlines just decided to keep their policies in place. The flight attendants chirp that failure to turn your device off violates FAA regulations, but what they DON’T tell you is WHICH regulation. Specifically, they mean the regulation that specifies that passengers shall not interfere with flight attendants performing their duties. If they ask you to turn off your phone and you do not, you are interfering with that flight attendant, and therefore in FAA rules violations.

  3. It is not true that your electronic devices will interfere with the flight crew’s instruments. In fact, the FCC was ready to approve cell phone use aboard airlines but the cell phone companies protested that it would create problems with signals jumping back and forth between towers. So much for smart pilots.

  4. “People don’t understand why they can’t use their cell phones.

    Well, what can happen is 12 people will decide to call someone just before landing, and I can get a false reading on my instruments saying that we are higher than we really are. —J
    Jim Tilmon, retired American Airlines pilot, Phoenix

    Jim, you may be a retired pilot but you don’t understand squat about electronics and interference … there’s no evidence AT ALL that cell phone use affects avionics…. NONE. This kind of hogwash has been spread by pilots for years.

    Voodoo should never be passed off as science.

  5. “There is no safest place to sit”

    They moved the black boxes to the tail section for a reason…..

    1. So many people want to be up front so they can be the first off the plane when it arrives at the gate. Consider this. If the plane crashes, you’re also the first to arrive at the scene and with the full weight of the plane directly behind you..

  6. I take exception to the explanation regarding the differences in safety standards between major airlines and regional airlines. As a professional aviator with over 20 years in the industry, I can tell you that regional airlines are held to every training and safety standard that a major airline is. To say differently is doing the flying public a major disservice. Shame on you RD.

  7. 5: “People don’t understand why they can’t use their cell phones.”

    Complete BS!!! Altimeter’s use barometric pressure to determine altitude and it’s 100% impossible to get a false reading from electronic interference even if there’s an EMP going off 2 feet away. BS BS BS BS!!! Every other instrument critical to landing has been engineered to be unaffected by interference since the late 70s. Ask a AirForce C5 pilot if he cares when 200+ folks in the back are using their cell phones all at once.

    11:”There’s no such thing as a water landing.”

    More BS!

    19: “if we made you buy an expensive seat for your baby, you’d just drive, and you’re more likely to be injured driving than flying.”

    So this point is a non-point. Thanks.

    21: “Whatever you pay to fly, we pay more.”

    Cry me a river. Half of the people on your flight are on food stamps as well. Half of us also paid 1/4 million for our education. We all do our jobs, so stfu up, quit complaining and do yours.

    23: There’s a good reason for everything we ask you to do.

    Contradictory to your previous statements and complete BS! BS! BS!

    26: Cold on the plane

    People are cold because half of all Americans are fat, do nothings who never exercise and get their blood moving. Let em shiver. I actually exercise in the morning and am sick of sweating my butt off on a plane during the winter.

  8. On an American Airlines air-bus going from Springfield MO to Chicago IL. We had heard there were bad storms & the plane had been circling & unable to land & ultimately the pilot announced, “We will be diverting to Peoria airport as we have run out of gas.” Seriously? We obviously did not run out of gas or we would have been on the ground in the wreakage of the plane. Maybe he should have said, “We are diverting because we are now flying on reserves.” I knew what he meant, but there were a number of passengers who turned to look around with a nervous look on their faces

  9. I am so tired of hearing ‘Oh my God, you’re a girl pilot.’ When you see a
    black pilot, do you say ‘Oh my God, you’re a black pilot’?

    Really? When did someone actually say that Mr. regional pilot??? In 1950??? Total BS.

  10. “It also lets light into the cabin if it goes dark and helps passengers get oriented if the plane flips or rolls over. ” Now *that’s* reassuring!

  11. Very interesting. However I do not agree with #11. Sully did an amazing job setting that little plane down in the Hudson at exactly 11 degrees with no power.

  12. My only comment is from the last one, #29 of 29 regarding gate lice. The first ones on get the overhead bin space. Simple as that. If you want to get rid of the “lice”, then make more damned space for carry on– or change the rules to one carry only, or ban it. I would opt for the second one.

  13. I logged over 8000 hours as a C-5 Flight engineer. I hope you guys have a pleasent fright….

  14. I worked for Braniff Airlines in 1980 before they went bankrupt from us stealing all the leftover meals. Lol. Good job though.

  15. A plane flies into a massive updraft, which you can’t see on the radar at night…

    —-
    You can see it on radar during the day?

  16. The MacBook won’t be going 200 miles per hour relative to the aircraft unless the aircraft suddenly reduces its speed by 200 miles per hour. Except for hitting the ground or another aircraft, that won’t happen.

  17. (airline lingo) crop dust: taking a quick walk through the cabin to pass gas while breezing by.

  18. What’s scarier than turbulence? A 80 year old american flight attendant trying to hit on you.

  19. Simple solution for airline stewardesses getting too hot – wear skimpier uniforms.

  20. I I’m in a plane that flips, I’m pretty sure the last thing I’m gonna be worried about is my orientation. Pretty sure i’m still gonna be heterosexual. Or dead.

  21. I wish these articles would stop. Tired of the “10 things that –blank– won’t tell you”. Who honestly thinks that these folks are hiding info from us,,,and why care anyhow. Another stupid article found in Buzzfeed which is another worthless site.

  22. “Their pilots aren’t required to have as much training and experience”
    Of course the public knows this…when you step up a multi million dollar plane and the pilot looks like he is barely out of high school YOU KNOW they don’t have a lot of experience.

    1. Not necessarily. Many of those low 20 something lookin pilots have logged many thousands of hours as active duty military.

  23. …..Frontier has on way trips from Denver to Atlanta for $20.15 only for a few day. wonder If Leedy would come and visit with you. and then pay full fare to return. she would need to make a reservation very soon.

  24. Lets see…if I get hit in the head by a 200mph MacBook….its because that was the speed of the plane when it hit a stationary object, so I’m pretty sure I’d be dead anyway

  25. “first year as a pilot, they qualify for food stamps.”Tell me about the second year. OR, welcome to the real world, sorry you don’t get a privileged life the first year out. Please name me the hundreds of jobs where you get instant wealth. Same goes for the whiner about the airline paying for your retirement. Yes that’s how it used to be in business, but wake up many places aren’t funding pensions like they did in the past, maybe save some of your salary for it like the rest of us have to do.

    1. PS, salaries at regional/small airlines are incredibly low I mean really really poverty low, but the big airlines i.e. as of 2009; JetBlue lowest pilot wage $123,480, Southwest $182,270 UPS and FedEX are much more according to Wall Street Journal so yes I think you can well afford to fund your own retirement. They can even earn more the closer they fly to the federal limit of 1,000 hours. Try working a job that requires more than 72 hours a month of work, lots more hours are involved in flight preparations, overnights and sitting around waiting but don’t even try to tell me “overnights and sitting around waiting” is anything comparable to the 40 hour work week of many. But I guess, even the exciting cushy jobs have complainers, tho I don’t know how someone earning over $100,000 can complain when the guys around them work more, yes MORE, and earn a third. (nope in the airline industry, obviously)

      1. JetBlue doesn’t generally HIRE brand new pilots. But I suppose your vast experience as a commercial airline pilot means you know everythign there is to know about how “cushy” the job is.

        1. No kiding, I know JetBlue and the other big airliners don’t hire new employees, new ones have to go for the small airlines, I thought someone would be smart enough to figure that out with my first sentence and the original article. But I guess you’re too slow to work that out so I’ll say it again. Begining pilot wages are low (see original article), poverty level low (see my statement and Wall Street Journal. Pilots are generally willing to take the low pay for the hours flown i.e. get experience so they can move up to the big airlines. Got it? As for cushy- compared to many, many many many jobs it is incredibly cushy. Just look around the airport itself and you’ll find much more physically taxing jobs where they actually have to work 40 hours a week, not 70 a month, and when they work they have to be actually working not (again except for 70 hours a month) waiting around or sleeping (since either the original article or the Wall Street Journal included wait times and overnights as work) Ask a baggage handler if he’d be willing to include wait times and overnigts as part of his 40 hours a week, instead of humping around luggage. Gee I wonder what he’d say? But since you’re whining I guess you don’t understand that there are actually physically taxing jobs in the universe, since you are an expert, I guess there aren’t.

          1. Ever had jet lag? Ever driven a six hour car trip and stayed in a crappy hotel?

            Now imagine doing that for a career.

            This isn’t a zero sum game. Saying a pilot’s job isn’t as cushy and life of luxury as you think it is isn’t implying baggage handless aren’t hard workers or have a hard job.

            My job is incredibly “cushy” by some standards. It certainly isn’t physically taxing. But do you want to deal with criminal victims all day?

  26. The fact is most Airline MAKE the pilots go on Autopilot, wheels up and stay on autopilot until decision height on the landing. George flys the plane MUCH better and more efficiently than a human.

  27. Screw the “rich people around John Wayne Airport in Orange County who don’t like jet noise.” They didn’t have to buy property near an airport. Jets make noise when they take off. Deal with it or move.

    1. I saw the movie ” Airplane “. Does that qualify me? Thanks, Captain Under.

  28. That’s completely false about cellphones interfering with flight instruments. The FAA has given its approval for onboard cell use. It’s the FCC that is holding back, because all of those in-flight cellphones hitting multiple cell towers on the ground at the same time might cause havoc in the cellphone system. The other reason the FCC is holding back is because most airline passengers don’t want to have to listen to their seatmates talking on the phone the whole trip. But interfering with the aircraft’s instruments? That’s something pilots once thought might happen, but it’s been proven to be untrue.

  29. In October 2011 I was flying to Philadelphia from Houston. About two-thirds of the way I glanced out the window in a northerly direction and it looked like a missile headed right for us. It was a small jet that passed about 100 yards behind us at the same altitude; close enough that I could see the call letters but too fast for me to read them. I’m sure some flight controller had a bad moment that day as the blips merged. I wrote a detailed letter to the FAA about the incident, asking for a response but got none. It scared me at the time, but it scares me even more now that I realize we were a microsecond away from disaster. I wonder how many of these near misses occur.

  30. Airlines should rid the ritual of serving pretzels, nuts and drinks for flights under two hours unless specifically requested.

  31. I’ve often wondered how airlines avoid being sued for the painfully cramp space between the rows of seats in coach. The majority of passengers are forced to lean back and grab the seat back in front of them in order to shuffle out of the row to the aisle. How is this not a safety issues of impeding a fast, safe evacuation? Haven’t people been killed or injured because they were not able to evacuate their row quickly and safely, without wrenching out their knees, hips, arms, or back?

    1. For those in front of me who insist on reclining, I kick the seat consistently. After about 30 minutes they get the message.

  32. Cell phones interfering? That’s a joke. In Europe restrictions are gone.

    1. Contrary to popular belief, the FAA does not actually prohibit the use of personal electronic devices (including cell phones) on aircraft. The regulation leaves it up to the airline to decide.

  33. To the pilot who says to not complain about the service because he lost his retirement to give you that $39 fair, I say – “Don’t complain about your cell phone service, I lost my pension benefit so you can have a subsidy on your phone.” That type of comment holds no water for the millions who have seen defined pension benefits eliminated as cost savings for cheaper phones, new data speeds for those phones. I am sure many others can say the same.

  34. “Our work rules allow us to be on duty 16 hours without a break. That’s many more hours than a truck driver.” Wrong, most oil field truck drivers exceed 16 hours. Regular truck drivers also exceed 16 hours due to delays in off loading/loading and just pure greed of trucking company s.

    1. I don’t think you understand the difference between exceed…and allow.

  35. When a plane hits an updraft, everything in the cabin goes down toward the floor, not up. When the plane hits a downdraft (or “air pocket”) it drops and everything in the cabin heads toward the ceiling, including any unbelted passengers. That’s the more dangerous of the two.

  36. Except this simply isn’t true: “Well, what can happen is 12 people will decide to call someone just before landing, and I can get a false reading on my instruments saying that we are higher than we really are. —J”

  37. lol. “Working the village”. – Glad I don’t have to fly in the village

  38. Chateaubriand? Was this article taken from a newspaper in 1950, when service and manners mattered? When flying was actually a luxury, and customers were treated like they should be…instead of today, when they take your money and treat you like they are doing you a favor???

  39. One thing I will tell you. Flying sucks. Avoid it. It’s become a joke. Let them all go bankrupt. U.S. Air cheated us out of 5000.00. They all treat you like garbage. The airline industry died in the late 80’s

  40. The your a girl pliot reminds of comments my cousin used to get, A lot of the problem is more women then men wear makeup dye their hair to remove gray which makes them look younger People want their pilots to be old and experienced. My cousin used look 15 years younger than she was which made people think see was a girl too young to fly.

  41. after 44 years of flying hairplanes and helicopters, the MOST TERRIFYING moment by far still stands out clearly in my memory: that was (cough) the SECOND TIME (cough again) I spoke the words: “I DO”.
    Uh-huh.

  42. LOL! Just like all cops aren’t “gun experts,” all pilots obviously aren’t scientists. There is ZERO interference from cell calls. ZERO.

    Here’s my favorite line: “…(flight attendants) can walk around and serve hot coffee and Chateaubriand.” When was the last time you were on a plane and got a meal…let alone Chateaubriand! LMAO! More like a rubber piece of blanched chicken…

    Oh another gem. They explain that they can’t delay flights–even for planeload of connecting passengers–and THEN they say “…We have to delay flights just so we can get food.”

    “when we’re hurtling through the air at 500 miles an hour and we turn off the seat belt sign, half of you take your seat belts off.” DUH.

    This one has to be the BEST: “There’s a good reason for everything we ask you to do.” They cry…once they spend a whole article telling you that they disagree with many of the useless regulations that passengers also find useless…so…do these guys work for the Obama regime!? They seem to make as much sense as O’s minions…

  43. Many thanks to everyone who gets me from point A to point B each week for the last 25 years. The general public is the worst part about flying. People are just plan selfish and rude as the norm. Slam your seat back without regard for the person using their laptop or the 6’5″ man in the seat behind you. Crowd the gate before your zone is called like an idiot. Taking your shoes off, sticking your arms over the armrest into the person next to you. People with young children stranded at night not being asked to come to the front of the line for over night accomodations.

  44. 29 clicks to get though the story. Sorry but this is click bait. No thank you.

  45. #5 is incorrect. The IEEE did cell phone experiments years ago and they had no effect on the instruments.

  46. I can’t believe a USAirways pilot said that about being buckled in during taxi! Obviously so they are in their seats near a door in a case of an emergency it can happen (and did in DTW in Dec 1990). Smart pilot I am glad I never worked with him.

  47. I have flown many times, starting at age 15 my first flight alone. I loved every minute of it. I have never been on a bad flight. The take offs and landings have always been smooth and once we did have a lady pilot and she was my favorite. She took us sight seeing in the sky LOL and she was very funny and made the flight enjoyable. I also have a close friend that is a retired Pilot. I have learned a lot of things from him that Pilots go through. I will never complain again except maybe the prices they charge now :)

  48. Umm…the cell phone excuse given (false instrument readings) is a lie and has been disproven by several scientific test. They just use it as an excuse to keep people from talking on cell phones during flights. Also, the cell companies don’t want it because you can lock up multiple cells from one phone and that’s not how it was designed to work.

    But interfering with instruments is a bald-faced, outright LIE.

  49. Do ya know the difference in a jet engine and a airline pilot????? The jet engine stops whining at the gate !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

  50. Another fun story related to my Navy pilot brother-in law. My sister is also afraid to fly, even more than I am. To help settle her nerves before a flight, he told my sister to relax, that she had a better chance at winning the lottery than getting hurt on a flight. That calmed her until she sat down and found a very happy man sitting next to her. Sis asked why the man was so happy. The reply? The guy had just won the lottery. That was good for a couple of extra Xanax.

  51. I recall landing in very turbulent air on a clear day. I don’t like to fly, so the bumpiness gets to me. During this landing I thought about my brother-in-law who is a Navy pilot and lands on aircraft carriers. I comforted myself thinking if pilots can land on those carriers in less-than-optimal conditions, then surely my pilot could handle this windy day. As we landed, the turbulence lifted on wing pretty hard. I looked out the window and saw the wing on my side of the plane came within inches of touching the ground. After leaving the plane I remembered I left my briefcase on board. The pilots were still in the plane and didn’t realize any passengers were still in the aircraft. As I passed the pilot’s cabin I heard one say to the other, “That was too close. I don’t want to ever go through that again.” I’m still terrified to fly.

  52. #17 John Wayne, Orange County, CA airport isn’t that bad. Yeah, the take off is pretty steep & on landing they have to really jam on the brakes but as a passenger not bad.

    I’ve heard Long Beach, CA is really challenging.

    Of course some international airports are more challenging.

  53. I stopped reading this article after the first TWO items because of the SH*TTY A*S F*CKING POPOVER ADS FROM FRIGIDAIRE EVERY SINGLE TIME! Great way to ruin your website traffic: make the ads SO fffffgggging annoying you drive your eyeballs AWAY instead of TOWARDS something.

    Way to go, Readers Digest. No wonder you are on your way down and out. I finally noticed one on the rack at the checkout stand of my local “lower tier” grocery store, SaveMart, and it was barely more than a pamphlet. Just about time to give it up.

  54. I had the scariest moment of a lifetime flying in a thunderstorm. The turbulent caused the plane to fall out of the sky before regaining altitude. Flashy streaks of white lights and boom sounds in the black cloudy sky was terrible.

  55. Let’s not start with the “don’t recline your seat” nonsense again. Every passenger has the right to recline his/her seat for comfort. Having a laptop open is extraneous and can only happen if it doesn’t interfere with the comfort of the passenger sitting in front.

    1. Just wait….soon you will recline and annoy the guy behind you and he will turn up the volume on his laptop just to annoy you. And he will put “The wheels on the bus ” in a continuous loop.

  56. I think #7 is wrong. If you suddenly hit an updraft, the plane goes up violently, but wouldn’t the passengers get squashed down into their seats? In a DOWNDRAFT, the plane would suddenly drop, sending everything flying to the roof. That is how weightlessness can be experienced in the vomit comet…by it going down.

  57. Good grief, I guess Cabin Pressure’s more realistic than I thought!

  58. I’ve had a smooth landing at chicago’s midway, during a thunder storm..l

    Now I feel bad for not thanking the pilot!

  59. “Most of the time, how you land is a good indicator of a pilot’s skill.”
    I took an Air India charter from Chicago to New Delhi with stops in London and the Gulf. The plane had just been serviced (in Wichita) and they had their top pilot flying it back to London. When we landed in London, we couldn’t even tell that the wheels had touched the ground, he put it down that gently. I guess he didn’t want to scuff up the tires!

  60. #10 is BS.
    Few years ago I was flying from CLT to BOS on a 737.
    About an hour after takeoff the pilot announced that one of the engines
    failed and that we are landing at BWI and that it is an emergency landing,
    so we will be greeted by the entire FD with flashing lights on ready do deploy.

    Everybody was calm as you really couldn’t tell the difference
    in the aircraft performance. At least not from a passenger seat.

    One engine is enough to land a plane. Taking off with only one engine
    may be more problematic, but landing is not a big deal for a properly trained pilot.

  61. Annapolis doesn’t have an airport that supports US Airways. How is that guy “based at Annapolis”?

  62. But if we hit a little air pocket, your head will be on the ceiling. —Captain at a major airline

    I somehow doubt any captain would use that terminology. It would be like a chaplain giving a sermon where he referred to “that mythological thingie up there in the sky”

  63. The segment about cell phones is simply wrong.
    The reason they say no cell phones is because of the feedback through the communication devices the pilots use. Ever sit close to a speaker then suddenly the speaker makes funky sounds seconds before you receive a text. Imagine, have 200 people sitting around that same speaker. A few are bound to get texts and calls, or just simple data going back and forth. It’s annoying and can cause pilots to miss transmissions.

    On top of that, once you get to a certain height, antennae’s can’t reach your phone so it’s virtually unusable anyway for calling and texting. This is another reason why airplane mode was created for cell phones.

    The saying that they can interfere with instruments was a myth purposely put out to further discourage consumers from using their phones on a plane.

  64. i’m thankful my company has our own Citation jets…can’t stand flying commercial anymore

  65. Tip 23 makes no sense. Why do they NEVER enforce it? On the last two flights I took, immediately upon takeoff, everyone on the plane slammed the window shades shut. The annoying person in front of me even reached BEHIND the seat and kept slamming MY shade shut so he could watch his stupid movie, which he kept watching DURING landing. I guarantee you, quite a few flight attendants don’t do even a halfway decent job of enforcing the “rules”. Why have rules if you’re going to ignore them?

  66. Turbulence HAS caused countless accidents, which usually involves the wings falling off, followed by a screaming death plunge into a cornfield. Not in any way likely unless you fly through a TS, but never say never.

  67. Ok you said 13 things the pilots won’t tell us, then they tell us. Nothing off about this whole article?

  68. An airline has the right to state the terms of it’s service…I object to airlines blaming government regulations for everything. It would be better to know who is responsible for the stupidest requirements.

  69. I HATE FLYING , MY COUSING WAS AN AIRLINE HOSTESS AND SHE USED TO TELL ME STORIES OF HOW THINGS WOULD BE COVERED UP , SO THE FLIGHT WOULDNT BE DELAYED, SHE USED TO TELL ME HOW DOORS WERE IN NEED OF REPAIRS THAT DUCT TAPE WAS USED TO HIDE A FEW OPEN GAPS IN THE WALLS AND OTHER THINGS YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE. I WOULD ASK HER WERE YOU NOT AFRAID, AND SHE SAID IT IF IT WAS HER TIME TO GO, SHE COULDNT STOP IT.. WORK HAD TO CONTINUE AND SHE NEEDED HER CHECK AT THE END OF THE WEEK…IT WAS A COMPANY THAT DOESNT AND HASNT WORKED IN THE AIR FOR YEARS. UMMMM MAYBE THAT IS WHY THEY ARENT..YA THINK!!!!

  70. Wait a minute. If you hit a sudden updraft, the plane would lurch up, and everything in it would be pulled down.

  71. updrafts do not throw everything up in a plane, they drive everything down. Downdrafts throw everything up

  72. The energy from cell phones is not cumulative. 20 cell phone operating is the same as one operating. I have seen no studies that substantiate the claim that the electronics are affected by cell phone usage. I would rather get hit with a kindle that a 3 pound book.

    1. I agree with your observation, but the issue is that there is no collaborative certification agreement between cellphone manufacturers and the FAA that would allow current cellphone transmitting standards (frequency, bandwidth, power, etc) to be accepted by the FAA, and being a government agency, their answer is that any transmitting device must be OFF in flight.
      One option would be for either the industry or individual manufacturers to work with the FAA to certify phones for airplane use, but I don’t see that happening soon, as cellphone technology evolves too rapidly for the FAA to be able to respond, and it is likely that any certification request would be approved after the NEXT improvement was already in the market.

    2. Mythbusters investigated this. They did conclude that cell phones can cause signal interference by measuring the radiation effects in a controlled environment. However, they then tested to see if it affected 1 specific piece of aviation equipment (a horizon indicator) but there was no noticeable interference. They did warn, however, that different equipment may use and/or be affected by different frequency ranges so that it is possible a cell phone can affect aviation equipment.

  73. Is traveling with a baby in your lap safe? No.

    It’s extremely dangerous. If there’s any impact or deceleration, there’s a good chance you’re going to lose hold of your kid, and he becomes a projectile. But the government’s logic is that if we made you buy an expensive seat for your baby, you’d just drive, and you’re more likely to be injured driving than flying. —Patrick Smith

    What/where is the source of this “government logic?”

  74. As far as I know, there has never been an airliner crash while following the noise abatement take-off procedures from John Wayne airport.

    1. I believe you are correct… the issue from a pilot’s perspective is the reduction of safety margins that result from reducing thrust at low airspeed/high angle of attack flight at close proximity to the ground. As long as everything goes as planned, no problem… If an engine quits, or you experience wake turbulence or windshear, the maneuver can become quite sporty. The odds are that they won’t happen, and has been determined to be an “acceptable risk” for SNA to be a good neighbor.
      We used to call the procedure the “Wealthy One Departure” because the departure path overflew expensive property between SNA and the beach, the occupants of which made enough noise of their own to get the procedure imitated.

      1. Well, it was noise abatement procedures on approach, which are not so critical, but a Lear bit it by catching the wake turbulence of a 757 on approach to SNA. Around 1990?

        1. Unaware of it, but 757 wake turbulence was an unexpected problem that arose after it was placed in service, and the FAA increased the in-trail separation behind the 757 as a result.

  75. “Most of the time, how you land is a good indicator of a pilot’s skill.”

    Wrong! Consistently making good landings is a indicator, not one smooth landing.

    1. I had a window seat; coming into Denver airport, the cross wind was so strong the plane (MD80) was approaching the runway and “crabbing” at a 45 degree angle, and probably should have aborted the landing, but Pilot put the plane on the ground anyway(s).
      When the wheels touched the runway the plane spun quickly and violently, and went down the center of the runway as it was supposed to, but a lot of things made a loud crashing noise inside the plane, and people were shaken.
      I am a single engine Pilot and an airplane crash survivor, and THAT was NOT fun.
      And People don’t understand WHY I don’t want to ride Rollercoasters.

  76. “The smoothest place to sit is often over or near the wing.”

    Plus you can keep an eye peeled for gremlins trying to tear an engine off.

  77. Wouldn’t it be a downdraft that throws everything into the air!

  78. “Working the village” makes me laugh. don’t worry about it. I’ll be in the village when your’re ready.

  79. What a lot of whiners these commenting pilots are! I don’t feel so safe after reading these “tips” Maybe some of them need some attitude adjustment or career change.

  80. The US based airlines are about the safest and most efficient in the world, thanks largely to superbly trained ATC controllers, flight crews, maintenance crews, etc. We are still at the mercy of the weather gods. My airport was 1/4 and 100 this morning. Having said that, the FAA, NTSB, and other Government agencies have deteriorated seriously under the current administration. Perhaps Osama, oops, Obama should be required to fly commercial, First Class of course!!! Dr. Jim. CFI 40+ years.

  81. BS. The RF from a cell phone is not strong enough to disrupt the instruments on any airplane.

    1. Whatever. Nobody wants to hear your loud mouth or anyone else’s for an entire flight. What an arrogant jerk!

  82. Every time I click to the next page, I get another obnoxious ad. Goodbye Readers Disgust.

    1. Sure. People in RD do their job to make you a happy “reader” who does not have to “digest” ads. They don’t need to eat or pay bills or anything.

  83. I want to know why they make everyone raise up those window shades when they’re landing. (I snuck mine back down and we didn’t crash).

    1. Since takeoff and landing are the most likely phases of flight for an emergency to occur, certain precautions are taken during those times: seats upright, tray tables stowed, passengers seated with seat belts on, etc. If something does happen and the plane needs to evacuated, the open shades provide visibility so the crew and passengers can identify any threats (e.g., fire) outside the aircraft and determine which doors are safe to open for emergency evacuation.

  84. “if we hit a little air pocket, your head will be on the ceiling. —Captain at a major airline
    That so-called captain needs to have a flight review with someone who knows there are no such things as “air pockets”.

    1. Pilot “jargon”for an atmospheric condition causing turbulence. Ask Snoopy, the WW1 Fighter pilot!!! He knows!!!

      1. PANTS have pockets… AIR does not.
        The atmosphere is constantly in motion to the east or west depending on your latitude, and turbulence (aka “air pockets”) in the simplest of explanations is caused by the east (west) motion of the atmosphere interacting with the rising of warm air and sinking of cool air over the varying surface features of the planet.

        1. It is a jargon, for crying out loud. Testicles are called “balls”, even though the only person kicking them is an angry woman.

          1. Passenger jargon, maybe… they can be excused for ignorance of terminology…
            Pilot jargon? Not on my flight deck.
            If any professional airman used the term “air pocket”, I would immediately doubt his/her credentials.

  85. # 20. If you’re going to recline your seat, for God’s sake, please check behind you first. You have no idea how many kneecaps are broken every year by boorish passengers who slam their seat back with total disregard to what’s going on behind them.

  86. Yeah, this article is a regurgitated farce. The pilots who talk to journalists are a–wipes, and the press is going to print exactly what they want anyway. I’ve got a lot of commercial time, 13 years, really hard work. No pension, no insurance, no time off and no pay for when you work on your days off. Fuel your own plane, load the bags yourselves. I never flew for the airlines, thank goodness! It is the only way to get bene’s or time off, but it’s a cesspool of even more alcoholism and adultery! And yes, half the reason we drink so much is just so we can get a little sleep. The fatigue is portrayed stupidly here. Our circadian rhythms re non-existent – they get trashed within a year or two. And our schedules are constantly changing. Human beings cannot sleep on demand.
    And even as an non-airline pilot, I got to stay at nice hotels (for 7 hours at a time). It’s unbelievable to me that an airline pilot would say they get put up at lousy hotels! It’s all 4 & 5 star. But if you fly a night shift, the room doors start slamming at 6am, and keep slamming all day as the cleaning crew works the floor.
    $35/day per diem, no car. Try getting something to eat for $35 at the Marriott Resort in Palm Beach. We’re always trying to j-walk across a major hwy to get to Arby’s!
    And it’s not a matter of the rules or standards. They are the same. But pilots are idiots. They hate math, hate ground school, and have huge egos. With all the modern automation, I only see a guy who can actually fly once or twice a year (I’ve been a company check airman since 1998).
    AND, turbulence is fun! And lightning! And St. Elmo’s fire! They’re all harmless. And we sit up front just as bored as you in the back for hours at a time. Get over it!
    And good luck….

    1. LOL you got that right! I fly for fun. The reason I didn’t continue on to the airlines is that I wanted to enjoy flying every time I go up.. no angry passengers, no nights away from home, etc…

    2. Plain inability to “hand fly” an aircraft had been the leading cause of major accidents in large aircraft for several years. The FAA has finally noticed it, and may introduce some new rules in 5 or 10 years. Hope that corporate and airline check pilots like you will take up the slack but don’t count on it. Perhaps a little stick time in a Cessna 150 might help?

      1. The FAA has “encouraged” airlines to incorporate more hand flying in training, checking and line flying. In the ’80s, their stance was “use all the automation all the time”… Not surprisingly, that bit us in the a$$, and today’s FAA brain trust has awakened that pilots must maintain hand eye skills.
        If you can find the video “Children of the Magenta Line”, it is well worth watching. In it, a senior major airline Captain/Check Airman discusses pilots’ dependency on automation and the resultant loss of situational awareness and aircraft control.

    3. I think you were well suited to non-airline flying.
      The path to a “cushy airline job” is strewn with hazards, and once you have “arrived”, that’s no guarantee… Ask the Pan Am, TWA, Eastern crews who lost their careers after decades at the carrier. In some ways, it’s a lot like the professional baseball system… the farm team work SUCKS, but the dream of getting to “the bigs” keeps players showing up.

      There are Bozos in any profession, but after 40+ years in aviation as an engineer, mechanic and pilot, including 29 as an airline pilot, I believe that a far higher percentage of airline pilots are careful, competent, mature professionals who study continuously and take their jobs seriously.
      As with most groups of humans, all have their personality quirks, but on average don’t exceed “normal” boundaries of behavior. A strong sense of “ego” is necessary to be a good aviator (an indecisive person is a poor candidate for command of anything airborne), and while dealing with the Bozos can be wearing, they are by far the minority.

      Flying the back side of the clock seems to fit some folks better than others, and is definitely not MY shot of Johnnie Walker Black. Many of my freight-dog friends have had job offers from “normal” airlines, but refused, preferring their “lifestyle”, a concept I do not pretend to comprehend.

      Hotels are a common problem… I have spent many nights at brand new (i.e. empty) resort hotels because the airline was able to contract very cheap room rates (for a while), and have spent hours trying to get to sleep in a room with paper thin walls while a Caligulan orgy was in full force next door.

      The bottom line is that we all have choices, and no one holds a gun to anyone’s head and says “YOU WILL BE A PILOT”…

      1. The last sentence should have been the first. :) Excellent arguments throughout the post.

      2. Well, they did hold a gun to my head and said You [do this} to prove you’re dedicated to flying, many times, after 115 hr weeks for $213 for the month. I just wanted wanted to fly, but apparently, I lacked “dedication.”

        1. Sorry it didn’t work for you… Many of us have “paid our dues” in crappy aviation jobs and finally found satisfaction, if not in the left seat of a United 747-400 flying SFO-NRT two or three times a month making $300k a year…
          It is always a personal choice to stay with it or sign up for the truck driving school on the matchbook cover.

  87. The idea that regional pilots are not held to the same level of safety is ABSOLUTELY FALSE! True, the pilots there typically (though not always) have less experience, but they are held to EXACTLY THE SAME standards as the pilots at the major airlines. Some pilots at major airlines have an over-inflated egos and look down on those working their way up, and make ridiculously false and derogatory statements such as the one featured here.

    1. This is true for the airlines themselves as well. They are held to the same regulatory standards as the majors.

    2. Please don’t confuse absolutely minimum standards with what is safer. Experience usually helps ( though not always). That is why there are Pilots and Copilots. ( yeah I know, Capt and First Officer). Isn’t there a difference, now, in PIC time requirements?

    3. There is no shortage of jerks in any profession.
      I suspect that a huge number, if not most of today’s major airline pilots came from regionals.
      The main difference between an American or United and BFE Regional Airlines is the time and money spent on training, checking and standardization. You correctly state that all airlines meet the same requirements under FAR 121 Supbart N, but many of the larger airlines spend more time and money per pilot in their compliance largely because they have the resources to do so.
      While it is accurate to say all airline pilots meet the same requirements, the path to meeting those requirements vary widely from airline to airline.

  88. Love #21. All jobs suck and we all spend money on our education. AND flights are more than $36. When I spend $650 for a flight I expect my bag to get there and I don’t care what your retirement has to do with it.

  89. “what can happen is 12 people will decide to call someone just before landing, and I can get a false reading on my instruments saying that we are higher than we really are” LIE ALERT

  90. Hey, “girl pilot” in #24: Being a role model can sometimes be tough. I hope you don’t mind when fathers take their daughters up front to meet you so that their girls can see that they really can be anything that they want when they grow up.

    1. About 1/2 the pilots on the “commuter” planes that serve my town are “girls”. I taught my daughter to fly instruments first because she was to small to see outside . When she decided on a job, she trained for something that she could make a decent living at and afford to fly for fun.

  91. A full ‘Bar Cart” does NOT weigh 100 pounds. The bar cart when full, at take off, weighs 300-350 pounds. I know, I was a flight attendant and during severe turbulence the bar cart which was right next to me as we hit a 10,000 ft. drop, came crashing down just next to my head as I came crashing down to the air crafts floor from a negative “G” dive recovery.
    The cart shattered into little pieces like a toy, I lost two ribs, both shoulders became disjointed which required four major total reconstruction surgeries as well as a lumbar disk fusion.
    It’s dangerous up there folks. Please respect and take seriously the instructions of your flight crew. Just might save your life.
    Thank you.

  92. I think I’ve seen this same exact article about 4 times now over the years. Everyone at Readers Digest on vacation or something?

    1. Readers Digest was once a respected, useful publication. Starting several years ago they started deteriorating. They are now largely junk and not worth reading.

        1. Pointing out the obvious, that RD is no longer good, or can’t you read Plain English?

          1. I asked because I hate idiots who have the need to use words like “junk not worth reading” about stuff they evidently read… instead of reading something else somewhere else.

          2. Sorry, I don’t have ESP, and must at least scan an article. Glad you are so Smart Polite, and Friendly. America is still the great melting pot.

  93. You mean you guys don’t get to smoke weed and bang the stewardesses in four class hotels any more? LOL, Sorry, I couldn’t held myself

  94. A bit of compulsive obsessive disorder on here today. Bottom line is many government rules don’t make good sense. Observer 50, God Bless you, but get some help. We are not perfect, and neither are you.

  95. These pilots and flight attendants had some nasty things to say about us, passengers. Like “gate lice” and “crotch watch”!? Aren’t we paying their salaries and their pension plans?

    1. Grain of salt time…
      The author likely wears a huge watch with four buttons and five dials, wears pilot shirts to the bar, and has seven pairs of different styles of “aviator” sun glasses so he can look cool every day of the week.
      PROFESSIONAL airline crews and employees are aware that the only reason we have a paycheck is because our CUSTOMERS choose to spend their money to fly on us.

    2. Come on, it is a defense mechanism. You have never complained to your colleague about a person (business partner, client, customer…) thanks to whom you put food on your table?

  96. “Our work rules allow us to be on duty 16 hours without a break.”

    On flights over 10 hours multiple crews are required. Bunk beds must be provided for the off-duty pilots. Those were the rules when I flew many years ago (Pan Am).

    1. I overheard 2 flight attendants talking to each other, both hoping that a delayed flight would be delayed a bit longer so their duty time would expire and require another few hours to get replacements. Great customer service!!!

      1. And their union would back them up 100%. One of the main reasons Pan Am went belly up was because of greedy unions. I know — I was an ALPA member.

  97. Re: Airline career. IMO, airline flying is the best JOB you can have, but a very unstable CAREER choice…

    The JOB – Flying airliners is challenging, rewarding, and FUN. For most pilots, it is the culmination of a lifelong pursuit.
    Completing a flight is a three dimensional puzzle that changes with time, involving dozens of moving components and events, all of which must be monitored and managed.
    The view is fantastic, and the responsibility of carrying hundreds of folks safely from A to B is sobering.
    Being on reserve (standby for callout) for years can be a real drag, but some people like the time to work around the house.
    Some work schedules suck, but some are great – like any job. Seniority usually improves schedules
    Most airline people are fantastic individuals, with a positive, friendly attitude

    The CAREER – The cost of becoming an airline pilot compares with that of obtaining a Master’s degree, or more. The starting pay at most regional airlines REALLY SUCKS… BIG TIME… In a normal economy, it will take from two to four years to move from a regional to a major airline.
    One failed physical exam can put your career on hold, or end it altogether
    One failed proficiency check can end your career
    The entire US airline industry is run on the seniority system, meaning if after ten years your airline goes out of business, you may be able to be hired at another airline…. At the BOTTOM of their seniority list, with a significant reduction in income and lifestyle..
    No matter how good a pilot you are, if management screws the pooch and fails to make money, the entire airline goes down… (75% of startup airlines fail, and being a “legacy” carrier pilot is no guarantee of a lengthy career if the airline is sold or merges with another Remember Eastern? Western? PSA? AIr California? Peoples’ Express? Ozark? Southern? Republic? Pan American? National? TWA? Braniff? America West?)

    1. Has anything other than the Military had a draft??? (Excluding major sports of course)

      1. Not that I am aware of..
        Airlines will interview applicants and put them in a “pool” they can draw upon to start a training class on short notice, but that would not qualify as a draft… The advantage is that the normal processing time for new hires is four to six weeks from the interview to class start date depending on whether the applicants are given the opportunity to give two weeks’ notice to their current employers.

  98. Re: Weather delays… Some airports have restrictions on weather operations that reduce the capacity for arrivals.

    San Francisco is notorious for weather delays despite “good” weather as seen by a passenger. SFO has two pairs of parallel runways that can be used in visual conditions, but due to inadequate spacing between the runways, one of each pair of parallel runways is unusable for instrument approaches (ceiling below 1000 ft, visibility below 3 miles). This backs up traffic, causing departure delays at other airports.

    As a rule of thumb, summertime in SFO will almost always generate morning delays until the fog burns off around 10:00-12:00, when the airport can use both arrival runways.

  99. This year, the FAA revised the flight and rest time rules with a new regulation (FAR 117) that specifies a minimum of 8 hours “behind the door” for all flight crews. It also specifies maximum on-duty times that depend on the time of day, number of time zones and number of legs flown on a shift.

  100. How did these comments become a battle of grammar? If you are on a plane that is about to crash, you won’t care if you use “anyway” or anyways”.

  101. My husband flies for the regionals. The only thing keeping him from the Majors is a 4-yr degree, not his flying time. It wouldn’t matter if it was in English or Art History or Politics. I think that was a very bogus statement. The majors sure don’t look at FLYING talent or time per se. Just book smarts.

    1. Having flown for a regional for ten years before “moving up”, “ah feel your pain”… Hiring requirements vary from carrier to carrier, and are highly dependent on pilot supply and demand.

      The airlines have cut back capacity (driving up load factors, improving profitability) to the point that any significant improvement in the economy will begin a growth cycle, which will require all airlines to accelerate hiring. At that point, it is likely that the 4 year degree requirement will be dropped by many carriers

  102. The regionals aren’t held to the same safety standards as the majors: Their pilots aren’t required to have as much training and experience, and the public doesn’t know that. —”Captain at a major airline”…um is this guy for real?! What news source quoted this idiot?! “Captain at a major airline”…so basically some 62 year old about to retire…

    1. “Their pilots aren’t required to have as much training and experience, and the public doesn’t know that.”

      I would hope that a majority of the flying “public” would recognize that pilots don’t grow on trees and that, like most any other job, responsibility grows with experience.

      1. this “flying public” is the wife of a pilot…and I can tell you that even though my husband flies for a regional carrier he has just as much training as some 60 year old captain about to retire…probably more training as the rules are much more strict now then when that guy got his license

        1. Training hours and experience hours are not the same thing. And no, proficiency requirements do not discriminate on the basis of a date for this or that rating, they apply to everyone equally. The person who checked out for a given rating 20 years has to prove, (by way of mandatory flight review), the SAME level of proficiency by today’s standards as someone who checked out for those same ratings yesterday.

          You are implying some sort of ‘grandfather clause’ and I’m calling you on it.

    2. All US airlines (major, national and regional) are required to meet the same training and operational standards that are specified in Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) Parts 117, 119, and 121.

        1. Huh? Airlines are certified under FAR 119 and operated under 121, with 117 dictating flight and duty times… ??

  103. I only wish everyone buying a ticket to travel by air would read #20. I know it’s your God given right to recline your seat and I accept that. But PLEASE do not recline at the speed of sound. I’ve had my coffee spilt and my laptop jammed into your seat back.
    Please recline slowly and I’ll stop putting the overhead vent directly on your head!!!!

  104. I’m not clicking through 29 pages, so the first “tip” will have to be enough.

  105. Forgot to mention this is a “new ruling” handed down by the FAA, probably at the behest of the oval office “resident”. It has been investigated (pursued) by John Ferrugia of 7 News and published by Scripps!

  106. Pilots also will not tell you that the “new” air traffic controller is NOT very qualified, as per FAA’s “new hiring practices”. FAA no longer wants veterans and CTI “qualified” trained gradates; they refer to those as “biographically unqualified”. They now pull enrollees off the streets (for diversity) claiming it will save taxpayers $$MILLIONS, but use no “facts” to back the claim! This practice may or may NOT save any $$, but you can bet your fantail IT WILL COST LIVES! Now, does that information make you “really” want to fly ever again??

    1. Yes, those OTS controllers are dangerous—just like the dangerous OTS controllers who’ve been safely working the system for decades. And CTI’ers aren’t qualified to separate their own butt cheeks, let alone airplanes, until they check out at their facilities. That said, the FAA are a bunch of incompetent bureaucrats, and they did badly screw up the last hiring bid with the implementation of this biographical questionnaire that was cooked up by some private, 3rd party, money-hustling “metrics” company. There was also the previous round of ATSAT scores which were tossed into the trash at the cost of several million dollars of taxpayer money.

    2. I have difficulty understanding the “ghetto” dialect of some of the new trainees, hopefully they will be eliminated, but I doubt it. Wasn’t it about a year ago that a bunch of towers were slated to be closed???

  107. Maybe the gate lice wouldn’t be so bad if the gate agent would restrict the number of carry on bags. Why should I have to pay for a checked bag or put my bag under the seat and lose leg room because some people feel the need to carry on 4 or 5 items, and no gate agent says squat. Instead of calling paying passengers gate lice maybe they should call their co workers lazy and shiftless.

    1. Last time I saw a gate agent ask a pax to consolidate their bags she almost got throat punched I call them being careful for personal safety

    2. Current FAA limitations are for TWO items… a “personal” item such as a purse or computer bag, and one carry on that must fit beneath the seat or in the overhead.
      With the presence of multiple law enforcement officers at every airport, a physically abusive passenger will likely find his hands in zip ties having a one on one with a local sheriff’s deputy.

  108. Please don’t complain to me about your lost bags or the rotten service or that the airline did this or that. My retirement was taken to help subsidize your $39 airfare. —Pilot, South Carolina

    Oh you poor man. Give me a break. Quit if you don’t like it.

  109. I’m a former airline pilot. Regarding the use of cellphones: the FAA does not require the wiring on airplanes be shielded from interference; the computer sensors for the flight computer are located in the tail section, and use those wires to transmit data to the computers up front; cellphone interference causes “garbage” to reach the computer, and the computer either screws up the information the pilot sees, or simply gives up and lets the pilot figure it out. This happened to me on several occasions, while flying into Aspen’s Sardy Field, at night, in snowstorms. Somebody in the back was ignoring the flight attendants and trying to arrange a ride from the airport, while we were still in the air. The computer on my airplane just gave up, and handed it back to us, somewhere between clouds and granite peaks.

    1. I have a solution that might work – put a “stingray” (Harris Corp.) on each plane and explain to passengers what it can do and what will happen if they disobey. When cell phones are supposed to be off – activate the stingray so that if anyone turns on/uses their cell phone in flight the stingray will interrogate the offending phone, record the cell number and the owner will be fined or face criminal prosecution.

  110. It’s a complete lie that regional airline pilots are not held to the same standards and requirements as the majors. I’m a regional airline pilot and I can tell you that we are all held to the same standards as governed by Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations Part 121. I’m disappointed that anyone would even suggest that. Obviously the veracity of this article is suspect as an airline pilot would never say something like that because its simply not true. Liar!!!!

    1. But the major airplane pilot said he was held to a higher standard than a regional pilot.

      1. Yeah he’s lying maybe a higher standard as in he has to wear his hat and they get a choice type of “standard”

  111. Food stamps for pilots, now they see how us Military have felts for years and I flew as a flight engineer.

  112. Most of the time you are hit by lightning, you don’t even know that it happened. I have caught a couple of things on the post-flight inspection that were caused by a lightning strike…had no idea we had been hit during the flight, until after.

    That the Regional Airlines are allowed to fly aircraft that say “Delta Connection” and are painted like Delta Airlines is a CROCK! By the door, there is a small sign that says “Operated by ExpressJet”. I think each airline, Mesa, Republic, Chautauqua, American Eagle, PSA, Piedmont, Envoy, Endeavor, Trans States, SkyWest, Compass, GoJet, Horizon, Air Wisconsin, etc., etc, should have all their planes painted in their own colours, with their own paint scheme. By the door they could have a small sign that said: “Operated for United/American/Delta/Alaska Airlines. Inside the plane they should not be allowed to have inflight magazine, napkins, etc., etc. that say “Delta/United/American Airlines”. Some of these small airlines fly for United, Delta AND American!!! It is bait and switch, and morally wrong to mislead the public!!!

    There has never been a documented case of “electrical interference” from a passenger electronic device. In fact, pilots now often have their iPads on 24/7 and use them to safely operate the plane. They frequently forget to turn them off before takeoff, also. This “safety” idea was like the liquids ban: It is a rule made up because there is a 1 in a Trillion chance that maybe something could happen….stupid.

    Buckled on the ground? A good idea. We taxi really slowly, but some airlines, especially with the smaller jets, taxi really fast. And, sometimes you need to emergency brake on the ground or you get hit by something. The time you leave the gate, to takeoff, and the time from landing and taxiing in to the gate is the most dangerous time of the flight.

    Turbulence: Think about boating on a lake. Is the water ever completely still? Never…there are always some kind of waves or wakes from another boat. The same applies in the air, but we can’t see the turbulence, which is why it IS important to ALWAYS have your seatbelt on when you are in your seat.

    Flight times: The scheduled times have INCREASED significantly since the 1960s, especially in busy corridors like NY-Miami. There is a LOT of built in delay time now, so flights often get in way early, if there are no problems. The speeds of our aircraft have not improved since about 1948….I think it is crazy! We are still building the same basic designs, and often the exact same aircraft today as we did 50+ years ago.

  113. Number 2 about regionals not being held to same safety and trying standards is a flat out lie. 100 percent incorrect. Shameful reporting.

  114. Remember how nice it used to be to fly before airlines started buying customer loyalty with “travel miles” as a substitute for comfort and on-time performance?

  115. “There’s no such thing as a water landing.” – Tell THAT to Captain Sullenberger!

    1. Dude crashed and ditched his aircraft into the water like a boss

  116. If all or most of the gears in your head spin you know these things already. The shoes one really gets me. I see it all the time. If it’s time to evacuate and you can’t get the emergency door open or can’t get to it because of your shoes, I’m gonna reach down and throw you out of the way so that the rest of us can get off.
    Like these shootings. I wonder if “couldn’t get away fast enough due to shoes inappropriate for running” was a statistic what %age of the shot it would cover.

  117. I’m wanting to know where these $39 airfares that one pilot was talking about!

    1. crappy airlines that go out of business in the middle of your round trip as happened to my friend..they heard on the news the airline shut down while on a cruise and had no way home

  118. Of the 29 statements, I read 3 that are some what true… I am actually an airline pilot and can tell you first hand that this article is mostly lies to make you feel that pilots and airlines don’t care one iota about your personal safety… I do know that the airline, those that I work with and myself work very hard to be safe, reliable, and have your personal safety in mind every time. Just remember…. Most of us have families we want to go home to also!

    1. Hey, for some reason I thought “PAX” meant the mandatory advisory that attendants announce to passengers before takeoff and before landing?

  119. For all the complaining some of us do, airlines do a great job of flying. Where they need to improve i their non-flying operations–baggage, boarding, etc.

    1. Agree… 40,000+ Americans die on the highways every year, while on average 130 fatalities are attributed to airline accidents…. I like the odds… Given the choice between ME arriving safely and my BAG arriving, I vote for me….
      That said, I have spent many aggravating hours tracking down lost bags… Still, it’s better than traveling by oxcart.

  120. also the back of the plane is the safest, that is why they put the black boxes in the tail it survives most crashes better than the front or middle

  121. the cell phone one is busted, thus you now are allowed to use phones and electronics at any time

  122. “…And unlike a truck driver, who can pull over at the next rest stop, we can’t pull over at the next cloud.”

    Truckers can’t turn the wheel over to their co-pilot.

  123. “…(flight attendants) can walk around and serve hot coffee and Chateaubriand…”

    I’d like to know what airline is serving Chateaubriand! All I usually get are pretzels or TV dinner…

    1. You have to fly First Class to get the Chateaubriand. For the $800-$1500 difference in ticket prices, I’ll keep the money and go to a restaurant on the ground for my Chateaubriand.

    2. “All I usually get are pretzels or TV dinner…” Consider yourself lucky. I used to get a full box lunch between Pittsburgh and Boston years ago, (~1.5 hour flight gate to gate). Now they don’t even hand out pretzels.

  124. I would love to have a discussion with the AA pilot who claims cell phones could cause altimeter errors…..what a moron.

    1. I saw Myth Busters just TEAR UP this whole charade. NO reason cells can’t be used. At all.

      1. they went PC at the end of the show how ever. In “really old AC with the cell power cranked up a lot. The got some noise on the spectrum analyzer. There fore they said it was “possible on some aircraft” Was disappointed in them for they really changed the criteria they normally used.

  125. Regional airlines are held to the same standards. Each year they do the simulator training and have physicals. In reality they have many more landings and takeoffs to do, so more experience in my view. The airline just needs to hold onto all of their older pilots as they really have earned their wings.

  126. if there are fuel fumes the the empty tanks a lighting strike can cause an explosion

  127. #2, part 121 carriers adhere to the same rules, regional or mainline alike. Impossible to have a group that less is required from. But, in my years of aviation I have found the most brain dead and clueless are on the major side…..

  128. This artical is completely BS!!! The safety standards are EXACTLY the same, training requirements are EXACTLY the same.

    1. The MINIMUM requirements are the same for all airlines.
      American and United spend more money and time training their pilots than does BFE Regional Airlines because they have the resources and time to do so. Ever seen United’s Denver training facility?

    1. Too bad… 40,000+ Americans are killed on the highways every year, compared to an average of 130 in airline accidents… Your call.

  129. The “water landing” thing was a nice yoink from Air Marshal Carlin…

  130. No. 21: I was an aviator in the USAF. Many fliers had dreams of becoming a commercial pilot after separating from the service. I always thought they were idiots. Why? Because as a commercial pilot, you’re just a bus driver. The passengers are your mission. In the military, YOU are the mission.

      1. Ha! Yes they do! Just google “commercial airliners shot down, hijacked, bombed” and see what you get. At least in the USAF, we get to shoot back!

  131. No. 20: I’m a big guy at 6’2″ and 250 lbs. I don’t have any extra space between myself and the seat back in front of me. I also have a bad knee, so when the jerk in front of me flops back in his seat, it is not just rude, it is painful. My defense? When I fly these days, I shove my knees up against the back of the seat in front of me at the beginning of the flight. When the passenger in front of me attempts to flop back, the seat does not move. After trying to move the seat a couple of times, he usually gives up, thinking the seat is broken. Sometimes he’ll ask the flight attendant to move him to a seat that works, which is fine by me.

    1. The problem is not the aircraft – it is YOU – you are OVERWEIGHT by 50 pounds for your height. Lose 50 pounds and many problems – including not being able to be comfortable on a airliner will go away!

      1. For my age, I’m only 30 pounds overweight, but I don’t bring on any carry-on luggage, so I figure it’s not unfair as far as load limits go. But, honestly, my belly isn’t being struck by the seat in front of me, it’s my knees. Should I have my legs shortened?

      1. No. I just got tired of having my knees slammed by the guy in front of me who just pushes the button and flops back without even warning me.

        1. Book either the front row or the emergency exit row. Those seats ahead on exit don’t move to make sure that row is clear to get people out. I have gladly sat window exit row to get a window and yes I do spend my time to make sure I know how to get that hatch open if needed during orientation.

  132. Regionals have the same standards, but check out NTSB accident reports for regionals. I rest my case.

  133. The statement by an “alleged” airline captain about regionals not being held to the same safety standard is baloney and completely discredits this article! I have flown for both and the requirements to pass your rating is the SAME! The only difference is that the regionals have pilots with less experience, but that does not make them unsafe. This article is BS.

  134. This article is very bogus. Lightning strikes on planes are very rare. Regional airlines operate to the same rules as any other scheduled carrier. I refuse to read the rest of this yellow “journalism”.

    I have been a pilot for every level of airline and now an instructor for a major manufacturer. So yes, I know what I am talking about.

    1. In 1957 or 1958 (I was seven) our plane was struck by lightning. We were flying on AVENSA or KLM, Maracaibo to Miami. It hit as I was walking up the aisle from the restroom, and I went as quickly as I could to my seat, which wasn’t easy, because the plane was being tossed around. I jumped into my seat, buckled my seatbelt, and got a mild shock from the buckle. We had to make an unscheduled stop in Montego Bay to replace the radar, etc.that had been burned out. Quite a little kid adventure!

        1. They had to fly it in from Miami, actually. Should have made that clear. It was a long wait, but our mother took advantage of the unexpected shopping opportunity. Poor Dad, lol.

  135. Tip #29 Pilots wont tell you: Never wear pantyhose on a flight. If the plane burns when you evacuate the fire will melt the nylon into your skin. Burn doctors will not be able to skin graft you.

    1. WORST ADVICE for Air Travel I’ve Ever Heard! The chances of you being involved in an aircraft crash in your Entire Lifetime are Slim to None. But with over 40,000 Deaths from Automobile Accidents happening every year – you’d be much more on the mark by saying: Never wear pantyhose when you get into an car!

    2. Since we are thousands of times more likely to be involved in a car accident, would the same cautions be applicable to automobile travel?

  136. “…regionals aren’t held to the same safety standards as the majors: Their pilots aren’t required to have as much training and experience…”

    Looking at the FAA rules, as of last year, regional pilots have to have the exact same certification credentials as the “major” airlines. In fact, I believe that the rule states that all pilots of any airline have to have an ATP, Air Transport License, and no one can operate without one. That’s the highest level certification that a pilot can have…there is nothing higher. In other words, all pilots in the US have the same licenses…no matter what airline they work for.

    Furthermore, most regional pilots fly more than the “major” airlines…to the count of 200 to 400 flight hours more per year. Regional pilots average 800 hours a year while other pilots average 500. Seems to me that it’s the regionals that have more experience than the other airlines.

  137. Turbulence cant bring a plane down? Then how do you explain American Airlines fl 587 that crashed because it lost its rudder when it ran into the turbulence left over by a 747? Turbulence has destroyed a number of planes, and there is no safety in having a pilot who thinks it cant destroy his plane…if he’s afraid of updrafts, he must be afraid of downdrafts too and those can be tremendous in some kinds of thunder storms.

    1. It wasn’t the turbulence that brought down AA Flight 587 – the Pilots were the cause the crash. The pilots Over-Controlled the rudder causing its mount points to fail resulting in separation of the rudder from the aircraft and the subsequent loss of control.

  138. It was a great article. It mentioned every one of the 14 reasons I avoid flying if at all possible. I probably would not be so averse to flying if I were not a licensed pilot myself. One of those cases where it won’t seem so bad if you don’t understand what’s happening. The second piece about regional airlines is precisely why I absolutely will not fly on them. I once made a trip out west where I rented a car at the last major airport on my route and drove for four hours to avoid a 1 hour flight on one of the regional airlines. Just read the transcripts from the Buffalo, NY crash a few years ago and you will see what I mean.

    1. We are equally concerned a “Pilot” of your Caliber (what like a 22) is up in the skies while we transport passengers from point a to b. I find it hard to believe your ‘licensed’ to do anything. ‘Certified’ you bet!

      1. To set your mind at ease hawk, I’m no longer up in the skies. I was a pilot for many years, back when the airlines actually hired pilots with experience and paid them well. I’m not sure what a “22 caliber” pilot is, but before I stopped flying 15 years ago, my “caliber” was 2800 hours, commercial, multi-engine, instrument, CFI. I never went for the ATP, didn’t want it or need it.

    2. Interesting… over 40000 Americans a year die on the highways, while about 130 are killed in airline accidents… Don’t think you’ll get odds that good in Las Vegas…

  139. OMG! You are a transgender pilot!
    -Yea, just got mine lopped off last weekend. Wanna see?

  140. People who see no risk in flying are delirious. I think the risk is very much downplayed.

    1. There are Risks with ALL modes of transportation – with traveling by car presenting the HIGHEST RISK of Injury & Death – and taking a trip on an airliner being the LOWEST Risk of Injury & Death.

    2. You’re not much of a statistician I see. Let me suggest an exercise: Get the number of all passenger deaths from airline causes last year. Divide that by the total number of passengers on every flight. It’s a very small number. Now, repeat the exercise for all traffic deaths divided by all people taking automobile trips. Although the length of the automobile trips are MUCH shorter, the rate of death is MUCH higher.

      BTW … nobody said there was NO risk in flying.

    3. Living is a risk, and NO human activity is risk free (Google “annual deaths in bathtubs”), but airline flying is about as close as it comes…
      You are entitled to your opinion, but the facts are that over 40,000 Americans a year die on the highways, while about 130 are killed in airline accidents… I like the odds.

      1. Hell no, I’m still not flying, as long as Putin and other nut cases dictators are in power.

        1. Your call… Guess we can be glad there are no nutcases driving the roads, or riding buses or trains….

          1. Besides. Most statistical auto accidents are non-lethal. Try not to get killed when the whole flying tin can goes down!

          2. An interesting observation, but “apples to walnuts”…

            In an average year, 43,000 Americans are killed in auto accidents, while 138 are fatalities in airline accidents… The raw odds of being a fatality in a car accident are 311 times higher than being a fatality in an airline crash….

          3. It’s not how likely you die, it’s the method, the method… Eeck.

  141. #2 isn’t accurate. All domestic airline pilots are bound by the same system of regulations, and are equally licensed. The claim you have made is simply blatantly false.

  142. I have never, ever gotten a $39 airfare.

    Rather, I pay hundreds of dollars for poor service and surly personnel.

    I’ve also been told that, in spite of a confirmed reservation, the airline is sorry, but they overbooked and don’t have a seat for me. One time, I didn’t get to the hospital before my 90-year-old mother had to go into surgery for a hip replacement operation.

    Another time, on a trip home from Europe, I had been in transit over 24 hours, flying on a ticket that cost over $1200. The last leg of my trip was canceled. I had lost my wallet in the airport in Italy, I had no credit cards, no drivers license, and no cash – just my passport and boarding pass (thank god for that). The airline informed me that they would have pillows and blankets for me at Gate C3, but that they couldn’t provide a hotel room – and that they couldn’t get me to my final destination for 48 hours…

    My luggage has been lost, and they they have tried to take my laptop with my expensive laptop (with highly confidential information on the hard drive) and check it because too many people had already put luggage in the overhead bins and my laptop case was a tight squeeze under the seat .That same flight attendant threatened to have me deplaned for refusing to give her my laptop and asking for time to properly stow it – and I never raised my voice, never used inappropriate language, and did, on my second try, get it stowed to her satisfaction…

    I really don’t want to hear about how the pilot took a pay cut to keep his job. Even as he is working hard for less money, I am paying MORE money for worse service.

  143. I wouldn’t get on a plane with a black pilot. I know how they do on IQ tests and how they get their jobs with AA.

    1. Congratulations for making Dumbest Post on this thread. How can you link pilot proficiency with the color of the pilot? Makes absolutely NO SENSE!

      1. I wouldn’t let a black surgeon operate on me, either. All for the very solid reason of self-preservation.

        1. Well, I am sure Dr. Ben Carson is breathing easy that he won’t have to try to find your pea brain to repair your hatred lobe…

      2. i am not so sure the airlines have quotas that means that the best qualified pilot is not always hired

    2. I guess you want the Tuskegee Airmen to have to prove themselves all over again just for your bigoted, pea-sized mind. I bet you that the cleaners who do your robe and hood are lily-white.

      1. The “Tuskegee Airman” and their alleged heroism is largely a myth created by the left. They did almost nothing of importance during the war. Nope, I’m not in the KKK, I just don’t want to put my life at risk in the hands of low IQ blacks.

        1. The Tuskegee Airman are a myth?? The Tuskegee Airmen were not heroes, they just did their jobs in an extraordinary manner. Ask the crews of the bombers that they protected. No bomber was ever lost to enemy aircraft while the Red Tails were protecting them. That is not a “leftwing myth;” that is the U.S. Air Force. Face the truth: you are a despicable bigot, the last thing that this website and our country needs or wants. Go find a nice dry place under a rock that you can curl up under for eternity. You have nothing to contribute here or to the USA.

          1. By the tone of your reply I can see that you’re a vile hater of people you disagree with. I’m merely stating the facts; not the myth. My father who was over there told me they usually made an excuse of “mechanical failure” to turn tail and return to base. The color of their tail was yellow, not red.

          2. I love people; it is haters that I hate. Your father taught you this bigotry and hatred?? You only prove that the nut never falls far from the tree.

    3. Please remove the thimble you are using as a hat so I can slap you upside the head.
      Congratulations! You win the Moron of the Day award!

  144. I worked for an airline for 8 years and some of the whiniest human beings I have ever known in my life are airplane captains. At the top, international captains make $200k+ a year, do a trip every 10 days, and can look forward to retiring young and still complain constantly about management and moan about how bad they are getting screwed.

    1. top international wide body senior captains make $300 k a year or used to

  145. # 14. We have parachutes…. you don’t. When you see us outside the plane smiling and waiving, feel free to waive back. ;)

  146. There is absolutely no evidence that supports the idea that cell phone use interferes with instrumentation. Actually, it widely believed that they would do nothing… but the FAA requires testing to that effect, and every airline would have to test on every model of aircraft, completely free of passengers. This is an expensive proposition, and so far, there have been no takers.

    1. Wrong. The annoying factor is off-the-chart high. No cell phones on planes. period.

  147. My retirement was taken to help subsidize your $39 airfare.

    There’s nothing worse than people choosing a path in life, then publicly complaining about their hardships.
    There’s almost 100 million people out of work, many of whom can’t find even an entry-level job in their field.
    So quit. Or be quiet and count your blessings.

  148. Once again, no mention of the aircraft mechanics. Always these articles are about pilots and flt attendants work conditions. Who do you think is working at 3 am on the vital systems that keep an aircraft aloft in the first place? And that would be 3 am outside on the ramp. They never get a mention.

  149. BS I am a pilot and firsthand i can say that using your phone will not do that to the instruments ESPECIALLY not to the altimeter

  150. How about that he’s suicidal and looking for a remote patch of Indian Ocean to 86 the plane you’re on.

  151. On the landing–saying ”Nice Landing”. I did not see the pilot on one trip, but I wanted to say this to him. We touched ground and it was so smooth, we did not realize we were down. How shocked when suddenly the place stopped!

  152. This comment about carrying just enough gas to get there-none extra in case of a thunderstorm is true——and scary. Flying into Atlanta, we hit a storm and did not have enough gas to circle above it till it was over. So, the pilot said we must go to another airport to get more gas and then return to Atlanta. We returned to Atlanta just as our overseas connection was leaving!! We had to wait 24 hours for another flight out. Disgusting! These were Delta flights.

    1. Soooo wait a minute Jeanne. If there was NO extra how did you HOLD? or divert to an ALTERNATE airport? or taxi to the gate there? Aircraft are fueled to land at the intended airport, hold if planned for, then divert to another airport where the weather IS better. People miss connections DUE TO WEATHER all the time. Perhaps a discussion with the ‘ROAMING NOME’ regarding your missed connection is in order. Or you lack of weather awareness.

      1. hey better than landing in heavy rain and sliding off the runway then you would have got your shoes wet

  153. The ‘captain at major airline’ is LYING about regionals not being held to the same safety standards as their parent company!!! Which is why he/she was afraid to sign their name!!!! As an ex F/A at Braniff, American/ Eagle and 1 private jet (belonging to a family) and then finally, for International Paper. I had the same mandated FAA safety training as anyone else. HAD to pass on each separate aircraft my company operated….Pilots are basically paid by the number of seats on the a/c…not because they graduated phi beta kappa from some college…..
    I guarantee I could evacuate a 777 just as well, if not better, than any other flight attendant out there!!! And much better than 99% of pilots.
    A great many regional carriers have pilots from airlines that unions have ruined. Look right there for reason of the comment listed above as #2
    Carrie LaGrone Adams

    1. Hence the ‘no name’ generic CAPTAIN at MAJOR Airline :) Even his own fellow pilots would laugh at him his moronic comments.

  154. Totally wrong about regional carrier safety. They have been all required to meet Part 121 (highest standards of safety) of the FAA reg’s for more than a decade, and it made a difference. You should vet this stuff instead of just indiscriminately printing what some person tells you.

  155. What a MORONIC story. I’m an airline pilot and will tell you that this crap is STUPID hype to get attention. The points are written out of context to create fear. STUPID!!

  156. On approach into MIA, at low altitude. the plane did a quick left then right jink. Looking around the cabin, I only saw one other guy looking around. We locked eyes and smiled, the only passengers on the plane that realized that the plane was cleared for runway 27L, but had been on approach for 27R. Doo-doo occurs every day

    1. Lol . Or ‘side stepping’ to the other runway so tower could get another a/c out? Not a daily occurance but is done regularly nonetheless.

      1. Could have been, but the point I was making was that few of the passengers noticed, and I’m not fond of ‘jinks’ with an aircraft of that size, and at that altitude, lol.

  157. I was on a flight in the states and both pilots locked themselves in the bathroom and started having sex. The stewardess asked if any could fly the plane and I said I’ll give it a try and I flew the plane for an hour. The crew had put it on auto pilot, but I pretended like I knew what I was doing.

      1. What would everyone do if the plane was going to crash in a minute? Would you reach under the beautiful stewardesses skirt and grab a handful? Would you draw back and knock the Bejesus out of the Jew next to you? Would you strip down and do a naked dance? Imagine the plane landed and you knocked the crap out of a Rabbi and said something anti-Semitic at the same time.

  158. #28 Gate Lice.

    Perhaps true, however, think of it as a defense by passengers to not get something stolen out of that gate checked, legal sized, carry-on baggage. Yeah, I try to get on first, but that’s an advantage of Gold Preferred that I paid for, and the advantage of being able to use the overhead bin for my one carry on that has my camera, my medicine, and other valuables that I would not dare check. I’ve had items stolen out of my forced gate checked baggage so I prefer to carry it on and keep it in sight. So, I guess I’ll take my lice medicine and continue to try to get on first.

  159. Gate lice??? When you travel for business you learn to get on first so that there is actually some overhead space left. That doesn’t make us lice that makes us smart!

    1. When you travel – not just for business. You have valuables when you go on vacation too.

    2. Oh! ….I thought that he was referring to babies as “Gate Lice”…..

  160. The Cell phone argument is BS, the FAA has stated it flat out, all of the wires in the aircraft are shielded from RF signals. Therefore it is impossible for the the cell phone to affect the altimiter. I am a Former USAF Aircraft Mechanic, and have found this myth to be a joke for many years, I personally think it is more of an issue of passenges annoying each other, should limit the communications to text only, nobody is annoyed, aircraft is not affected. Then again you can listen to a pilot who is NOT a mechanic, who is little more than a systems manager on modern aircraft, they are really only needed for take offs and landings, and at some airports not even the landings, the autoland system handles that. Plus the Mythbusters disproved this myth too if you do want to listen to me.

    1. You didn’t read the entire statement. They ask that you put your electronic devices away so they don’t become a 200mph+ missile in the even of a crash during take-off and landing. Besides, if the plane can handle a lightening strike, it certainly can handle cell phones and other electronics.

  161. When thinking about smooth flying don’t book in March or November the seasons are changing and the turbulence will be greater… 35 years of flying as a commercial pilot

    1. I actually like turbulence. It’s fun! People pay to ride roller coasters don’t they? I like flying when it’s really bumpy. Definitely more entertaining than looking at those magazines they put in the seat backs.

  162. People shouldn’t complain very much about flying. If you were crossing the Atlantic 150 years ago by sailing ship it would take months and your chances of never being seen again were something like one in three. If you were crossing North America east to west by wagon train it would also take months if you didn’t die along the way of starvation, exposure or disease. I’ll take a few hours in an aluminum tube and a 99.9999999% chance of surviving the trip any day.

    1. “You have died of dysentery” vs. “You have drifted into an epic nap after consuming all the free booze on this here sky-wagon”. Man…tough choice.

  163. I hate to fly and will have to do so in a couple weeks. Most of the time I rent a car since our travel policy now allows it for all trips up to 400 miles. But I booked it business class with priority boarding, front seat, and free snacks, free tv, etc. The sad thing is that DFW is 220 miles away and often the hub for flights. I know a lot of people who will have family drive them instead of flying there. I used to drive there until they raised the daily parking fee to $18. But you can hop on the highway and make the 220 mile trip before people who flew get there. That’s because of the requirement to check in early, boarding time, delays, landing procedure, and then the shuttle trip to the rental car terminal or your next gate.

  164. No. 2 is totally false and a scare tactic used by some at the major airlines to convince the public that flying a regional airline is unsafe. I’m a flight/simulator instructor at a regional airline (have been since 1993) and the rules and training standards are the exact same for the regionals as they are for the majors. FAR (Federal Aviation Regulations) part 121 dictates the requirements. The majors and regionals are required to have the same minimum training and experience as per the FAA. It is true that a given airline MAY have different requirements than another airline but they ALL have to have the minimum required licensing, experience and training required by the FAA.

  165. The Malaysian plane coulda used a Navigator. They should bring them back.

  166. Truck drivers vs airline jocks……….and the debate rages on; Hilarious!!

  167. Some true stuff with some made-up content.

    No pilot worth their salt refers to turbulence as “Air pockets” This is a media concoction

  168. I wonder why I haven’t seen a female pilot , hispanic pilot , asian pilot nor even a african – american pilot !?

    1. Apparently you have been flying the wrong airlines, you don’t take notice of the crews, OR you are just full of chit.

  169. It is obvious that this article was written some time ago and needs to be up dated. For one thing, ALL PILOTS MUST HOLD AN ATP and have at least 1500 hrs flight time. It does not matter if you are flying main line or regional, those are the minimum requirements. Also, the flight time/duty time regulations have gone over a major overhaul which, at a minimum, guarantee that a pilot gets at least 8 hours behind the door at the hotel on the overnights.

  170. No such thing as a water landing?? Me and Captain Sully beg to differ.

  171. Do flight attendants really have to keep telling us how to use a seatbelt? They might as well tell us how to operate the lavatory door then too.

    1. I was a flight attendant and I thought this was dumb too, until I actually had to tell someone (and many others afterward) the correct way to put on their seatbelt.

  172. Best comment- Gate Lice.

    The lap baby danger is real. One of the flights I was on we belly landed at JFK. The lap baby ended up 3 rows in front of mom and was really hurt bad. The landing wasn’t much worse than many of the normal landings on wheels. It was the stop that ripped the baby from mom’s arms.
    Another flight we hit really bad turbulence and a lap baby flew up out of mom’s arms hit the overhead bin, bounced off the seat in front, bounced off the overhead bin door, and landed on the floor. We had to make an emergency landing to get the kid to the hospital.

    DO NOT have your babies in your lap. DO NOT do it.

    1. Agree! They actually make tether harnesses for babies that securely attach to the caregiver/ parent. I think these should be required on flights.

  173. Sorry — the cell phone thing was debunked on Mythbusters. It took 500 cell phones to ring simultaneously to have any effect on the instruments. It was done with cell phones & not smart phones.

  174. Airline pilots are limited to 8 flying hours in any 24 hour period.
    It’s not only flying laptops, it’s babies departing mothers who love the kid but didn’t know they wouldn’t be able to hang on to it if the airplane hit a 60mph downdraft.
    Sully demonstrated that there are water ‘landings.’ The disembarkation may be tricky.
    After a long redeye you want your pilot to have had a 15 minute nap before landing, guaranteed.
    Major airline-contracted hotels aren’t Bill Gates standard but they’re still pretty good.
    Airplanes make money when they’re in the air so crews frequently don’t get lunch breaks.
    Midway is the most commonly cited ‘worst airport’ for pilots.
    Pilots whining about pay is like moving in at the end of the runway and then complaining about the noise. If you don’t want to pay your dues go be an architect.

  175. LIE! Alitmeter is based on pressure from the pitot static system. A million cell phones are not going to affect that

  176. my choice of pilots in this order
    1) white male pilot
    2) black male pilot
    3) auto pilot
    4) female pilot any race
    5) hot Asian chick pilot

    1. Interestingly, my choice for Flight Attendants is exactly the reverse order of your list.
      (With the possible exception of “Auto Attendant.” Inflatable dolls are a problem in a cramped chitter.)

    2. Statistically Female Captains are less likely to take unacceptable risks and provide safer travel than male pilots. It’s been proven at sea and in the air. The major difference is skill levels and experience as the number of Female pilots continue to grow you will see this will proof out over time.

      1. seems to me that southwest female captain who took over the flight at 400 ft and forced the nose wheel onto the runway didn’t make the safest decision

  177. This is the first “X things your Y won’t tell you” that didn’t amount to “I get paid to do a job but I hate having to do it.”

  178. Umm… I think the passengers might notice if an engine failed. Sure, the plane can fly just fine, but you have to constantly turn against the desire of the airplane to turn toward the failed engine. Also, jet engines tend to be kind of loud. You’d probably notice the lack of noise coming from one side, especially in a twin. In a quad-engine aircraft, it might be a little more difficult to notice.

    1. The passengers would be oblivious unless there was a loud bang. And the fact that the engines are usually mounted on the fuselage of a regional airliner means it will have nearly centerline thrust. It doesn’t take much rudder to overcome this and once you trim it out, even I as a pilot can’t tell we are running on one engine minus needing a little more power. And by a little power I mean 5% N1. Airlines these days fly great on one engine.

    2. I always try to get a window seat. On a flight over the Pacific I noticed dark fluid, looking like oil, streaming outside an engine nacelle and hit the flight attendant button. She looked at it, literally ran to a phone and talked into it. The we heard “This is the Captain. Some of you may have notice some fluid on one of the right side engines. This is normal and nothing to worry about.” LOL, yeah right.

    3. they would notice if an engine failed because the pilot would land at the nearest airport

  179. Regarding #2 about the regional airlines… it does say on the website when you’re booking the ticket “Operated by X Regional Airline Dba [Doing business as] Y Major Airline” by each individual flight that will not be operated by the airline you’re booking with. It’s not like they’re hiding it.

  180. Most info presented is accurate, except for the 2nd post. The Captain at a Major Airline saying the safety standards and requirements are different for Regional Airline Pilots vs Major Airline Pilots. The pay and benefits are better at the Majors, and overall experience the pilot has, is also typically higher. But the FAA requirements to qualify as a First Officer or Captain are the same. No difference in licensing between the two.

  181. The one about regionals not being held to the same safety standards is BS. The regional and major airlines are both governed by the same FAR Part 121 rules. There is no difference. Yes, the regional airlines generally hire pilots with less time, but those minimums are still extremely high thanks to new regs based off the Colgan crash in Buffalo NY. If anything, those young whipper-snapper pilots are safe in the sense that they are new enough to still follow the book. Senior pilots grew up and trained in a completely different environment than what it is like today and have “their” ways of doing things, that may not be consistent with the rules. With the constant threat of violation, young pilots are more likely to follow regulations and resist pushing the limits. You can book a United flight and actually be on a Republic, Shuttle America, GoJet, or other regional airline, but fear not. You will always have safe and responsible pilots, regardless of the name painted on the side of the plane.

    1. Understandable. But from my over 100k miles travel each year for 10 years, I have found that almost all of the ‘close call’, runway incursions, bad landings, aborted landings, sliding on snow, ect, have always been on regionals.. Republic is awesome, the others, not so much. I definitely avoid the low end regionals totally, even if it means I have to fly through a connection, or take a layover.

      1. The Difference you are seeing there is experience. Regional pilots are generally newer without the years and hours of experience it takes to get on with the main line carrier. Occasionally you get a High Experience pilot but the majority are still getting their hours to move up to the big leads.

  182. Number 10… what a JOKE. Multi engine Aircraft don’t fly “just fine” with only one engine. It yaws towards the dead engine, wasting fuel slowing the plane and making it almost as serious as a single engine plane losing their engine. It wont climb as well if at all, and 2 engines don’t mean twice the performance.

    1. You are obviously not an airline pilot. Any airliner from a Beech 1900 to a 757 will fly just fine on one engine. Airline training consists of lots of V1 cuts (losing an engine at takeoff) and coming back around and landing. Never once has the airplane failed to climb or do exactly what we need it to do to make it back safely. The performance is there. Light twins like a Seminole are a different story.

  183. WoW ! Well, Ok .. many of these are right on target .. others, not so much. It appears that some of the `Pilot/Authors’ thought this would be good opportunity to Gripe and Vent. Although Griping and Venting is virtually a required flight crewmember activity, it is seldom productive. Worse yet, it is often Not Factual.
    Regional Airline Captain [retired]

    1. When I fly, I wear cotton clothing. It doesn’t melt in the event of a post-crash fire. I wear sturdy shoes in case the slides are deflated and I am required to jump into shards of metal below. I count the number of seats from my seat to the nearest exit, in both directions. This is especially helpful if the fuselage is upside-down, on its side, full of smoke, or it’s nighttime. Other passengers will be climbing all over you. I pack a thick, wet wash cloth inside a plastic baggie. It’s not a fire hood, but it may filter out enough toxic smoke during egress to prevent loss of consciousness. Finally, I pull out the SAFETY CARD EVERY SINGLE TIME ON EVERY TYPE OF AIRCRAFT AND I READ IT!! Regardless of my familiarity with it. I get appalled at the number of passengers who skip this vital safety protocol to listen to iTunes, or skim the latest copy of Vogue. They’re the ones hollerin’ for momma when #$%& hits the fan. These steps may not guarantee survival, but they at least give me a fighting chance.

      1. Do you do precaution procedures like this when you get into car? You are way way way more likely to die in that. People rarlely die in planes.

  184. The cellphone thing on page 5 is BS, and a retired pilot ought to know that. It doesn’t cause interference with the flight instruments, it causes interference with the cellular communications systems due to the fact that an airplane in the air is within line-of-sight of a whole bunch of cellular towers. By and large it’s an FCC related issue, not a flight safety concern.

    1. Yeah on the ground walking or in a car you are traveling at much slower speeds and thus your two way radio strapped to your head will be switching much less between these cell towers than up on the air traveling at several hundred miles an hour.

  185. “Please don’t complain to me about your lost bags or the rotten service or that the airline did this or that. My retirement was taken to help subsidize your $39 airfare. —Pilot, South Carolina” – Terrible attitude from this pilot. First, I have never seen a ticket for $39, and I’ve taken flights that are only 30 minutes long. Next, if an airline loses baggage with $1000-2500 worth of personal belongings and/or medication I believe customers have every right to complain. As for service… it’s very simple… If there are two similarly priced airlines and one provides good service, and the other provides crappy service, I’m going to fly with the one that provides good service. That part of the comment is basically saying “Don’t provide customer feedback to make us more competitive.” Perhaps if they were more competitive, and provided better service they would be able to pay the staff more… I am usually willing to pay an extra few hundred bucks for a quality airline over the no name budget airline in most situations. Ultimately, it comes down to this: Don’t blame the customers because your company is giving you a raw deal. No one held a gun to your head and said “You must become a pilot!” If you didn’t research the salary you’d receive after getting your education, that’s you’re own fault.

  186. I totally agree with the hotel situation. Some of the hotels they put you in are “gang party” hotels, you can smell the marijuanna in the halls and if you get a second floor room and the room under you is smoking the stuff, OMG. People are running up and down the halls, yelling, banging on doors, etc… There is no sleep in those hotels.

  187. Well, what can happen is 12 people will decide to call someone just before landing, and I can get a false reading on my instruments saying that we are higher than we really are.

    Doesn’t work like that. Planes have to meet shielding and interference standards. Even if everybody on the plane pulled out two cellphones and made calls with them while using bluetooth headsets and ad-hoc wifi networks… there wouldn’t be enough interference to affect a reading.

  188. I never realized how condescendingly the cabin crew thinks of its paying passengers.

    1. have you ever been on a plane with those passengers? They have every right to be condescending.

  189. Oh, waah…You wanna talk scary places to spend the night? Be a trucker. Pilots (unlike truckers) do NOT work 70 hours a week (more like 70 hours a MONTH). Pilots (unlike most truckers) have co-pilots who can help fly. Stop complaining about your horrible occupation.

  190. #2 is not totally true either. First of all, the regionals are held to the same exact safety standards as the majors. FAA regulates them the same way. Although it is true a pilot can be hired with a fraction of the hours at a regional then at major, you still must hold an ATP rating to become a captain at a regional airline, which is the same rating as a major. It is also true that regional airlines have already started the process of requiring the hours needed to hold and ATP rating before hiring in advance of changes blowing in the wind. Now I’m not claiming that the experience pilot to pilot from regional to major is any where near each other, however, the pilots claim in this article is miss leading. Lastly, regional pilots are constantly flying short legs sometimes up to 6 or 7 legs with multiple landing throughout the day. Most major airline pilots today fly 2 or 3 longer legs with a lot more time in the air and a lot less time dealing with going in and out of airports and the stress that creates, compared to regionals, which pretty much all they do.

  191. 4 is not right, a lot of planes have landed in the water with no loss of life. An EMB 120 did off the coast of Africa just months ago. Sully’s landing was spectacular and unusual, but not miraculous or a one of a kind event.

    1. It’s still a water ditching. Seaplanes are designed to land in the water.

  192. #9 Is just total crap. A cellphone simply can’t cause the altimeter to malfunction and give improper readings

  193. actually its only 2 more hours than a truck driver…..and while a plane cant pull over on the next cloud, theres no such thing as auto pilot in a truck.

  194. actually its only 2 more hours than a truck driver…..and while a plane cant pull over on the next cloud, theres no such thing as auto pilot in a truck.

  195. actually its only 2 more hours than a truck driver…..and while a plane cant pull over on the next cloud, theres no such thing as auto pilot in a truck.

  196. actually its only 2 more hours than a truck driver…..and while a plane cant pull over on the next cloud, theres no such thing as auto pilot in a truck.

  197. actually its only 2 more hours than a truck driver…..and while a plane cant pull over on the next cloud, theres no such thing as auto pilot in a truck.

  198. Point #15.  We now hire flight attendants the size of middle linebackers so that all isle seat flyers get hip checked at least 38 times during the course of a one hour flight.  Don’t like it tough!

    1. hilarious and sadly true. The reason fiight attendants are supposed to be of normal body weight is for your safety…… they have to be able to get out of the exit windows over the wing and go on the wing and help pax off the trailing edge not stuff up the window and make it an useable exit.

  199. #9 is a false statement.  Cell phones have nothing to do with the altimeter!!!!  They MIGHT cause radio interference (so why allow cell phones on the ground, we are still on the radio to ground control).

      1. You mean radar altimeter? Has nothing to do with cell phone signal, sorry.

    1. Three letters: ILS

      When the glideslope says you’re higher than you are on short final, that’s a big problem, especially if flying in IFR conditions.

  200. Number 11 is not completely true. Cell phones would never cause a problem with an analog altimeter which reads altitude based on the aircraft’s static systems. It might cause an error in GPS altitude readings but pilots should be going more by the static system altimeter anyway to gauge their altitude properly, which is set by the local altimeter ( barometric pressure ) setting below 18,000 feet. And in the landing phase the plane will be well below 18,000. Going only by GPS readings is silly and not recommended. I am an experienced pilot so I should know.

  201. Number 11 is not completely true. Cell phones would never cause a problem with an analog altimeter which reads altitude based on the aircraft’s static systems. It might cause an error in GPS altitude readings but pilots should be going more by the static system altimeter anyway to gauge their altitude properly, which is set by the local altimeter ( barometric pressure ) setting below 18,000 feet. And in the landing phase the plane will be well below 18,000. Going only by GPS readings is silly and not recommended. I am an experienced pilot so I should know.

  202. Number 11 is not completely true. Cell phones would never cause a problem with an analog altimeter which reads altitude based on the aircraft’s static systems. It might cause an error in GPS altitude readings but pilots should be going more by the static system altimeter anyway to gauge their altitude properly, which is set by the local altimeter ( barometric pressure ) setting below 18,000 feet. And in the landing phase the plane will be well below 18,000. Going only by GPS readings is silly and not recommended. I am an experienced pilot so I should know.

    1. How about real airliners, that primarily use digital displays, with data generated by static pressure, driven through multiple air data computers. These things are all vulnerable to EM interference, and multiple phones put out a strong signal. Then there is the radar altimeter, used on some of the most precise, low visibility landings. Not to mention the autopilot servos, and the fact the the communication and navigation antennas are spread along the fuselage, literally less than 3 feet from your phone. You know the buzz your car stereo makes as you receive a text message? The same noise comes over the aircraft comm radios too. It would ruin everyone’s day if that buzz blocked ATC giving your aircraft breakout instructions on a PRM (close, parallel) approach, wouldn’t it?

      1. Are you high? In what universe is static pressure or an electrically driven servo affected by people making a call?

  203. Give me a break on the truck driver comment.  You don’t have to work NEAR as many hours as a truck driver.  We may have the option to pull over at the next rest area, but we are constrained by as much demand as your airlines are demanding on to get the product to it’s destination within a specific timeline.  Further, the trucking industry has FAR more regulations attached to commercial drivers than any airline pilot will EVER experience.  Thousands and thousands of regulations, all of which we are supposed to know.  You also don’t have to fuel your own aircraft; live in the back of your tractor’s sleeper; deal with the REST of the motoring public out there who are more interested in their text messaging or cellphone call or even their laptop computers.  If you had to deal with that, you would be dodging airplanes all over the place, the skies would be the most dangerous place to be on, or should I say, above the planet.  You don’t have Highway Patrol pulling you over in the air to do inspections at random on your truck.  You don’t have to pull through weigh stations and show all your papers and you better have your i’s dotted and your t’s crossed.  The list is endless.  Pilots have it WAY easier than truck drivers!

    1. Oh my god, a truck driver has a much easier job, no liability (you aren’t carrying 200 people with you), and you stay on the freaking ground.

    2. Oh my god, a truck driver has a much easier job, no liability (you aren’t carrying 200 people with you), and you stay on the freaking ground.

      1. Please give me a break, you haven’t got any clue, whatsoever, what you are talking about.  If you did, you wouldn’t speak with such a condescending attitude.  No liability?  No, I’m not carrying 200 people, instead, I’m on wheels carrying 40 tons with traffic and people full of cars all around me, cutting me off all day long and yes, it’s a MUCH more difficult job in heavy traffic than any airline pilot will ever encounter.  Do pilots have to drive in traffic? No, they fly in controlled airspace that is completely controlled by the ground and almost never have to worry about whether a driver around them that is texting is going to steer over into their airspace and collide with them.  You wouldn’t be so smugly laughing if all truck drivers just stopped driving trucks, either.  Your gasoline station wouldn’t have fuel; your grocery store wouldn’t have groceries; your Home Depot would have nothing, on and on and on.  And as I said before, the trucking industry is the MOST highly regulated industry in the United States, bar none, airline pilots don’t have to come anywhere near the knowledge of regulations that truck drivers are forced to know.  You are  a real piece of work, sitting on your throne of all-knowingness, but in reality, you know nothing at all!

        1. Every single pilot has to know how to fuel the plane, what fuel it’s takes, everything about each of the instruments, how every part of the plane works, has to know how to read more than 1 map and multiple charts at a time, has to have a very detailed knowledge of weather and how it acts, thousands of FAA rules both for the air and ground, etc etc. I could go on forever about what an airline pilot has to go through but I won’t or I’d be writing multiple books. And yes us pilots deal with traffic too. Not all traffic is talking with ATC so we have no clue what their intentions are.

          1. No airline pilot is out there fueling up his/her own plane. Get a clue.

        2. That is why they said, ” it is safer to fly than to drive” because of the many reasons BB has mentioned 8-)

        3. I’ve done both and there is a reason flight school can take years vs. truck driver training. It is much more complex; however, truck driving is not easy & is much more complex than the average Joe Bloggs thinks: knowing how to secure a load, how to correctly position your load, braking techniques, driving through multiple states with different laws, watching out for crazy drivers, etc.. All while running on caffeine and not much sleep. It’s not easy, but neither is flying. Having done both, I have respect for both trades!.

        4. I’m pretty sure there’s a reason why becoming an airline pilot is 20x more difficult than becoming a truck driver. Much of what you’re saying is true, I get that, but don’t pretend like what you’re doing is more important than transporting tens of thousands of people at 33,000 feet across the world. Honestly, the most condescending attitude I’ve seen here is your own.

          1. flying is fun most of the time about once a year you earn your pay

          2. Flying for a living isn’t all that it’s cranked up to be. Once the newness wears off it’s just another job, and often times boring. Think that airline pilots are overpaid? If you add up all of the dead time away from home between flights, the crazy schedules, and the physical toll it takes out on the people working those schedules, the crew earns every dime they make, Have you ever noticed that airline pilots usually look older than their years? There is a reason for that . It’s unhealthy to not have a regular sleep and eating schedule. And yes, truck drivers, Cops, and medical people have the same stresses. It’s human nature to think that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. The only time that flying is fun is when you jump into your own little airplane on your own time.

          3. I don’t think I’d care much for flying commercially in crowded airspace in North America, Europe etc. but flying out over the ocean, seeing the world. That’s fun. I used to be a C-130 Engr in the USCG way back in the day. Get vectored offshore, get your altitude, put the plane on George and altitude hold, input headings as reqd then kick back and let the plane run, out over the Pacific for hrs on end. When things are running well, the usual situation, oceanic flying is a watchstanding job, till you have to get up for the approach and landing at the other end. A lot of these pilot complainers are babies, tho, as earlier indicated, crowded airspace is no fun.

        5. Sorry – I used to work in the logistics field. I had to get out as I could no longer stand working with truck drivers. They are all complete morons. How many phone calls did I get every single morning “Hi this is Bob! I dropped my load!” Thanks Bob. I have 160,000 loads in my computer (not including the LTL) and I know which one was driven by Bob. According tot he DOT for CA – Truck Drivers must stop after eight hours on the road. If they have as much restriction as you say – they are working for a bad logistics carrier. We made allowances for rest stops, meal breaks etc.
          By the way – for pilots (I’m one of those, too) there is always a small plane that is off course and the pilot is not listening to the radio. It does happen. There is also miscommunication by towers that leads to crashes. Not as much as cars, but it does happen all the time. I had a tower tell me to land on a runway someone was taking off on once.

        6. None of the general public actually realizes that in that 40 or 53 foot trailer behind the horse may contain biological’s, explosives, radiologic’s or corrosives. Just wonderful driving through major cities on a 1000 mile journey with morons in cars all around you texting or on cell phones without using their gray matter. Just wonderful. God, How I hated it over the years..

        7. Oh please. You are not the ‘most regulated industry’. Folks in the nuclear power industry would laugh out loud at that statement.

      2. Not to mention, truck drivers kill nearly 20,000 people annually on the nation’s highways. If anyone else did that, it would be a national scandal.

        1. fatal crashes(kill– includes the truck driver) involve about 4000 people with commercial vehicles per year of all sizes including vans,pickups,etc.about 73 percent are the fault of the non commercial driver–the total amount of people killed each year in all crashesin the U.S is about 32000-

      3. Im a private pilot that used to be a truck driver and driving a truck is way harder. Trust me. The only thing harder is non civilian pilots. And for the record, 80,000 lbs going down a 10% means alot more than 200 people are depending on you to stay in control. Then your brakes get hot. Now what do you do? Call the tower for help? Thought so.

        1. I guess thats why tens of people every year gather at empty parking lots
          to see the truck driving team the “underdogs” truckings answer to the
          Air Force Thunderbirds—yeah moron private pilot–trucking is way harder—idiot

      4. i think the fact they stay on the ground speaks for the difficulties the truck drivers face . . . i bet they d breathe somewhat of a sigh of relief if only other licensed truck drivers were allowed on the road as pilots only have other licensed pilots in the skies to contend with. both jobs have tremendous liability and face countless obstacles . i think its truly amazing truck drivers manage to not hit the countless drivers who cut em off .. .. . constantly. dont you?

        1. You have to have a special license to drive a semi, and all kinds of insurance specifically for hauling.

          1. I used to drive truck, its not as hard as they make it sound. Sure there are plenty of challenges, but you are trained for them. One thing that never changes is the 4 wheeler blaming the truck driver and the constant whining of the truck driver “wannabes”

        2. Only licensed drivers are allowed on the roads, too, you know. Your analogy would only hold if only other airline transport pilots type rated on jets were allowed to fly. Granted, becoming a private pilot does require a much more stringent licensing process than a normal drivers license, but that’s because it’s a lot harder to learn to fly an airplane than to drive a car.
          One nice difference with aviation, though, is that small general aviation planes don’t share the same airspace as big jets, except near the airports. Of course, trucks *aren’t supposed to* share all of the same lanes as cars on the highways, but many of them don’t seem to understand the meaning of ‘truck lane restrictions’ and do it anyway… while driving at least 5-10 mph under the speed limit. Then there’s the lovely trucking companies that put governors on their trucks that don’t allow them to accelerate quickly enough up to highway speed, causing people to have to slam on their brakes or swerve around them when they merge into 70 mph oncoming traffic while they’re doing 15-20… then they proceed to take about a mile or two to accelerate up to 65.

    3. >You don’t have Highway Patrol pulling you over in the air to do inspections at random on your truck.
      Hahaha That’s so funny!! I like that !

      1. You do, however, have the FAA stopping you on the ramp to do ramp checks at random on your aircraft.

    4. I was a Pilot and I know my friend Truck driver works much harder.Travels long distances by bus to get to home base.

    5. Really?
      I’d love to see an airline pilot humping luggage out of the cargo bay, getting his log book checked at every airport, or navigating heavily congested highways with idiot SUV drivers in unstable cars cutting you off every 10 minutes in bumper to bumper traffic, while sitting in a cab where smoking has never been prohibited (YUK). The closest any airline weenie gets to driving a truck is walking around his big jet looking at stuff he can’t figure out, let alone fix or maintain. And in truck driving, rookies are all over the place – can’t avoid working with them. Seniority means you get to steer, but not much else.

    6. I’m a pilot. I have slept in the cabin of my aircraft in -40C using engine covers trying to keep warm. I have scrounged used leftover catering to try to save money and afford my rent. Every stop I could have ramp checks where I better have my I’s dotted and t’s crossed; flight planning, weight and balance, aircraft performance data, customs docs, to name a few. I have to do about 20 different complex calculations just to determine if I can safely get the airplane off the ground. I then have to do that about 6-8 times for each stop. I dodge light airplanes daily flown by inexperienced pilots who could kill me and in my case 30 others. I work 17 hour days regularly. I typically can be away from home 20 days out of the month. I need to be fluent in navigation, meterology, air law, dangerous good regulations, aerodynamics to name a few. I have to prove that I am proficient on the airplane every 6 months in a simulator otherwise I lose my job. I have to have an exhaustive medical examination every year where I risk losing my job if I have a medical condition.

      1. I agree you guys are awesome that fly heavy because I fly and the paycheck is not the best but I’m doing something that I love to do. That being said, everything that she just said it’s absolutely true not to mention if you fly light jets you have to deal with crosswinds all the time. if you want to talk about inspections in things that you have to know about your vehicle then it’s evenly matched because a long haul truck driver has to have all of his sh#@ in order and know exactly how heavy his truck is all the time. in the sheriff DPS agent or city commercial truck task force can pull over a commercial truck at anytime and request log books random inspection random air brake inspection drug test roadside wieght scale you name it. the cheapest ticket is for a lightbulb that’s $250 you get a ticket for each light bulb that is out. the ticket goes to the driver not the company. so I would say they are evenly matched in that department. my argument is that truck drivers have to deal with way more idiots on the road. decent argument for both sides though!

      2. it is three physical a year for first class ticket on the other hand the Bangkok flight was ten on twenty off but all nighters coming back long all nighters take off a sunset land at sunrise

    7. Well I have to clock in at 7 a.m. and sit at my desk and listen to old people nag all day!! Just kidding, kudos to both truck drivers and pilots for doing what they do.

    8. we dont have the highway patrol but the faa is on our backs all the time

    1. the name sounds familiar did he fly for ual which domicile date of hire

  204. There was that very successful water landing on the Hudson if I remember correctly.

      1. what did a computer have to do with that? Running into the birds?
        That was done hands on with lots of skill and a bit of luck. Pilots ought to be able to pull away from the gate, take off, find the designation, land the plane and find the gate without any help from an autopilot. If they can’t, they should get out of the front seats and ride in back, and let a real pilot fly the plane,

        1. The plane he was flying had the ability to level the plane a bit better then most other planes other wise the wing might have caught and ripped and tumbled. My father is a pilot who flies the Boeing 737 and while in the simulator he asked to be put in the same situation and he was able to land back at the airport and not the river.

          1. dipstick………both engines went out ,on apu for electronics, sully had to glide it in as he had a headwind back to LGA and would not have made it……….he thought he had a slim chance for EWR, as in slim to none. river was only way to go.
            25 years at TWA…….L1011 Tristar was the best.next, best landings for me were with Cathay at Kai Tek checkerboard approach, Hong Kong, closed in 1998.(flew in so low and close you could see the people watching tv in their high rise apartments) those were the days my friend-thought they would never end. (Carl Icahn you SUX)

          2. Roger that the “Romance of Aviation” days. The 1011 was ahead of its’ time in its’ day. However, I would take my A4E over it any day.

          3. Jake I know you think you know but that is simply not true. I flew the A-320 as a Captain for many years, Sully did a great job. Could he have landed back to LGA ? maybe, maybe, maybe but if he missed then what? ..black hole in Astoria ? He did the right thing in the moment. Yes the A-320 has numerous automated systems and what we call “aerodynamic LAWS” but in this case the A-320 did nothing. It was all pilot skill. Please believe me that this is the correct “take” on that incident. Sully and his copilot deserve EXTREME praise. Also the Port Authority rapid alert system, the ATC guy in LGA tower all are heroes in my book and believe me I don’t give out the praise and medals easily.

          4. Jake and 2nd Amendment: The a320 did a lot of flying for Sullenburger. Specifically, it leveled the wings and maintained a correct angle of attack for a ditching. Yes, the autopilot was working because Sullenburger had the presence of mind to activate the APU right after the bird strike, which feed power to his instruments from the moment of engine failure. Yes, it is quite easy for many pilots to land back at La Guardia in a reconstruction. This is because they know not to spend any time trying to relight the engines. Sully could not have known that.

          5. Sully Sullivan accomplished a perfect water landing on the Hudson. So it has been done successfully. No way could he have safely made the maneuvers necessary to make it back to the airport. He was far too close to the ground

          6. Ah yes, the mighty simulator! it is a great test for things like hitting a flock of birds and having to land(crash) into the water.

        2. LOTS OF GOD W A BIT OF SKILL.(the same they are all train with) even if don’t believe..
          TRUST ME…..

          1. No, he had it right the first time. Lots of skill and a little luck.

          2. Being a powerplane pilot, and glider pilot (past Ag Pilot and CFI), I believe that Sullenburger’s past glider flying experience had a great deal to do with his apporach to, and landing on the water wings level. Glider pilots have only one chance to make a safe landing…no going around for another try. In general, Glider pilots are more focused to land exactly where and how they will touch down than power plane pilots. Every landing is an engine out landing, and thus the excitement of the event becomes routine. That lack of excitement and serious focus was demonstrated in Sully’s recorded voice. He did a great job with that big “glider.”

      2. actually if he had followed the check list the computer generated they all would have died the apu wasn’t on the check list he thought it might be a good idea to have the apu on it provided the power to the flight instruments no apu no air speed indicator good luck on landing without an airspeed indicator

      3. guest is an idiot. Hand flown all the way by a great pilot. His training as a glider pilot did prepare him for this.

    1. it was a water landing but they refer to it as ditching he was lucky

    2. If you’re implying open ocean ditchings are likewise survivable you’ve got another think coming. Even on a beautiful CAVU day w calm seas, and swells (very highly improbably) aligned w surface winds, open ocean ditchings aren’t survivable. Capt. Sully’s airmanship was superb, and he was very lucky as he’ll say, and everyone around on the river helped out beautifully. Everything came together. That’s rare.

  205. sure we “could be” on duty for  hours, but can only fly for eight domestically…but saying we are on duty for sixteen “without a break” is not completely accurate. What happens the other eight hours?  Thats when we are on the phone to crew scheduling complaining about the catering. 

    1. What happens the other 8 hours? Waking up at 5am instead of 525, because the hotel van only runs on the top of the hour and +30…rushing to the gate because TSA was overcrowded and one of your flight attendants is new, so she packed something she shouldn’t have and therefore us getting an extra screening…
      Successfully getting the plane out on time at 615am, but then waiting 40 minutes extra for a gate upon arrival in Chicago or Denver (planned time to get breakfast). Now running frantically to get the next flight out on time (and hopefully time to grab a cup of coffee, PS: we never drink the plane coffee. If you see your pilots doing so, it is a dire emergency. That or they are not right in the head).
      Now we fly the next 2.5 hour flight, navigating thunderstorms which are a high level of stress and workload, and it turns into a 3 hour flight. We arrive at our next stop with hopes for lunch but we’re running late still. Time to resort to the feed-bag again (granola, tuna fish packets, etc).
      At the end of the day, we are approaching 16 hours of duty, and while a decent amount of that time was spent on the ground, we were likely struggling with TSA, swapping aircraft, trying to consult dispatch for an alternate route around the tornado producing squall line, trying to find a bite to eat, trying to grab a 10 minute nap…dealing with personal phone calls and house emergencies from 1000 miles away, etc.
      Not sure about the reference to catering above…maybe in the 1970s that would have been true.

      1. My pilot buddy is paid well but falls asleep on the floor of my house whenever he visits. A bit worrisome. He doesn’t have enough seniority to get decent schedules yet.

        1. it is all seniority it gets better as you get older not like a lot of other things

          1. O the hell it does. Sixteen years now w the world’s largest airline and still a slave, thanks to FAR117 and bankruptcy judges handing airlines anything they ask for. I now fly 4 days on 1 day off virtually without a break, the company could care less (hey, only 19 pilot suicides here last year!), our union lost its scrotum decades ago (it actually chastised us for voting down our first murderous contract offer last year), the gov’t wrecks my career every time their pen touches paper, and my family has forgotten what I look like. But at least the narrow body garbage I fly is at an all time maintenance disgrace while the company rakes in record profits for management bonuses.
            One bright note: we’re getting profit sharing this month! Almost $17 post tax for a full month’s worth of effort in trying to make this mental institution function properly! Good times here in the Majors, pal!

          2. Another profession needs to be is in your future, appears..

          3. I don’t fly much because of the big business B.S. But I would like to Thank all the pilots that are busing people on time for low pay. I think City bus driver make More then Pilots do and it’s a shame, and the flight Company’s make a fortune and don’t share the wealth. My hat is off to all of you. I am sure it is a stressful job, and crappy pay. Thank You for the ride. P.s maybe put a tip jar at the entrance stating “if your a C.E.O. then a hundred $ tip is required…. or it’s a bumpy ride for you.”

          4. A short haul british airways pilot gets paid £120, 000 a year after 20 years of flying and if your a captain
            Long haul pilots get £150, 000 a year. Some airlines plop you in five star hotels when on layover and are given an alowance to spend whilst there there

          5. That’s what the general public always hears… those making the large paychecks, flying fantastic routes. Those paychecks are the exception to the rule and not what most commercial rated pilots are making.

          6. …and open road truck drivers make over 100K per year, but the pilots don’t have to pay for their planes or the gas. No, they earn their just pay for the expertise they deliver daily.

          7. Great point about the ‘tip’ jar. Even the bus driver from the rent-a-car terminal expects you to tip him. Why not the pilot that actually gets you (safely) to your destination?

          8. Cry me a river. As someone who has been in aviation for 28 years I know your full of it. If your with one of the majors then your making anywhere between 150K to 190K at the 10 year mark so boo hoo whiner.
            All your getting paid for is in case something goes wrong for the aircraft are fully automated. Plug in to the flight director where your going, set the auto pilot and keep your hands off of everything.
            Thats why they been saying for years the only difference between a jet aircraft and a pilot is that the jet aircraft stops whining when it gets on the ground.

          9. Geez, YOUR grammar is killing me. The abbreviation of “you are” is “YOU’RE.” I understand we all make mistakes when quickly typing, but 5 times in one small paragraph basically discredits everything you just said. You might want to look into the differences of YOUR and YOU’RE. Just my two cents (not that you care).

          10. geezus – just stfu already with the grammar crap and change “your” diapers

          11. You talking with your mouthful again, Michael. Go to bed, its past your bedtime.

          12. LOL – you took the words right out of my mouth! BTW, lilmeow, his post is on target (and we could care less about your two cents)!

          13. And you might look into some therapy, grammar gestapo.

          14. Nope, I hold a pilots license as well as an A&P and own my own plane as well as am gainfully employed with a large part 135 operator. What I am is sick and tired of pilots who fly one or two hours a day and believe they are worth a quarter of a million a year to fly fully automated aircraft.

          15. (Especially walking through the terminal with his uniform on).

          16. now that right there is funny….don’t care who you are!

          17. Well, if you are under age 55 maybe a nice ex-pat job with one of the Asian carriers would suffice or perhaps Etihad or Emirates? Korean Air and Malaysia are in desperate need for leadership. Anyway, don’t worry because when the economy flatlines in September there won’t be many passengers to fly, therefore, your schedule will be less hectic!

          18. Thank you for posting. I have been beating my self up for not following my passion and flying professionally. Many professional pilots confirm your thoughts as well. One of my plot friends swears, it is more fun to say he is a pilot than actually being one, lol. You may want to try Real Estate. I like it and it pays about the same.

      2. My problem with flying has never been pilots (I figure anyone willing to go through the process to get licensed knows what they’re doing), but with maintenence. I have so many friends who tell me stories about finding “extra parts” after the plane has left the facility…

        1. as an aircraft mechanic for 22 years, never had I seen “extra parts” after the aircraft left the facility. I am of the belief that a mechanic could stumble his way through flying an aircraft just by their understanding of the systems. The reverse can not be said of a pilot.

          1. If you broaden the definition of extra parts to include tools then mechanics most definitely have a proven track record of leaving extra stuff on aircraft. As I’m sure that you know, that is why tool control programs are in almost universal use among part 135 and 121 operators.
            On to the flying ability of mechanics…How good of a mechanic a pilot is or how good of a pilot a mechanic is has no relevance to your argument of “extra parts” but is entertaining so I will take the bait anyways. Having given flight instruction to about a dozen former mechanics, I can tell you that the aptitude of a student pilot is negligably impacted by whether that student is a former mechanic. For comparison, any physicist can describe in detail how a curve ball works but that doesn’t mean that he or she can throw a curve ball. The former mechanics that I trained had a great understanding of maintenance regulations and management and most importantly understood how to get along with their mechanics. I’m sorry to say that in the air the former mechanics were the same wide-eyed, ham-fisted, menaces to aviation as any other student pilot. Ultimately the mechanics made fine pilots once they completed their training.

          2. I am always amused by how many supposedly highly educated people use anyways for anyway. Anyways is a kind of slang and is not a word. Using it makes one appear to be uneducated and of a very low class. What happened in your past to result in your using anyways?

          3. Your reply has no connection or bearing on my statement. Only stating what is true in today’s world…part of the continued unabated dummying down of America.

          4. Part of the continued Unabashed Dumbing down of Observer50

          5. Your comment has no value as it does not contain anything describing what was incorrect or faulty. Such statements as you posted show one’s total lack of knowledge. Check a good dictionary to learn that dumbing is not there but the correct, dummying down is there and is the accurate description also of the path you are on. Read on to learn something of value.

          6. Use your dictionary to look up the etymology of the word “sophomore”: it describes you perfectly!

          7. You reveal your lack of knowledge when you can’t even correctly articulate what you are trying to say. Sophomoric would be the correct word to use in this instance, however your comment is completely erroneous and not true. It is easy to see after doing the research that it is you who is the sophomoric one. Do some real research to enlighten yourself and learn something of value.

          8. When someone demeans another because of how they speak or write, that person is usually trying to compensate for some other weakness. What is yours? What deep insecurity do you have? Do you feel better about yourself after you attack another?

          9. Your remarks are incorrect and have no bearing on what I said.

          10. I disagree. When someone posts comments containing grammatical errors and misspellings in a public forum, they are asking for it. It is appalling that so many people don’t recognize the decline in our country’s educational standards, mostly because they have been poorly educated themselves.

          11. A language is just a mean to communicate…its not a measure on intelligence…I work in a global company communicating with all of the world my I speak 4 languages…cannot claim that I can grammatically as all of them…but my Mongolian cubic neighbor blow my mind when he can hold a conversation in French, German, Russian, English…this is the focus that America should focus on in this global world people who can communicate with of all bunch of different nationalities instead of focusing on how u can place a vowel or consumn in a tens tense…it has no economical value in this global world wake up and move past the 50s where America was an isolated island…the world have changed and caliber your language priorities….

          12. Why does your Mongolian cubic neighbor blow your mind when you can speak 4 languages yourself? Just curious. That is very impressive.

          13. The grammar police, such as you, are nothing but annoying want to be high school english teachers. You add nothing to the conversation and the only thought which normally comes to into mind while reading your post is “what an @ss.” Your continuous overbearing sanctimonious posts have caused yet another person to post an irrelevant rant. Thanks for nothing and feel free to correct my grammar, my english and your comment regarding the relevance of my post.

          14. I believe the phrases are dumbing down and dummying up…

          15. Do you realize that the word dummying is slang unlike anyways which is archaic and not slang.

          16. Negative. Dummying is shown in the dictionary as being a valid word, not slang. Anyways is archaic and never appears in the text of any modern day writings except when it would be used as part of a report, discussion, analysis and or in a publication concerning the proper use of modern day English. It is not taught in schools as being an acceptable replacement for anyway or that it is acceptable in speech or in texts. It is well known that using anyways has been the sole reason many people have been eliminated from consideration for employment.

          17. Dude, you have a real complex. Your need to look smarter than everyone else is making it to where no one likes you. You make as many grammatical mistakes as everyone else. In the paragraph above, you make a comma splice in the first sentence, you say “and or” without using a slash in the second sentence, and you fail to put a comma after “anyway” in the next sentence. You’re a hypocritical blow hard.

          18. Thanks for the grammatical correction and the explanation.
            Everything else you touched upon has no relation to reality and specifically as to the improper use of anyways where anyway would be correct. Wonder why no one has commented on that issue which is what I was initially pointing out?

          19. i advise you to get a refund from your troll GED class………you are boring and very unfunny. now – go change those diapers and take your PMS meds……….got it?

          20. Observer, it’s because we fully comprehend and respect the validity of his statement. The issue you’re pointing out would be embraced on another blog, perhaps (not that I can think of one) but most of us are friends here and will have each other’s back. We could care less about slang, grammatical errors, etc. – we do care about analytical content and respect a person’s years of experience in what he is sharing!

          21. You validate my point once again. Read Red’s and teila’s comments. You could learn some valuable lessons if you are not too bull headed which causes you to be unable to at least entertain the possibility that a view other than yours may have a little or even a lot of validity, but quite likely you are way to far gone for that kind of thinking. That tax BS was only good for a brief minor belly laugh.

          22. He’s making good points. Just learn from it if you can. If you already know it all, then feel blessed that you’re a genius.

          23. well…………if your dikkkk was 2 inches long – you would also be a bit grumpy………..

          24. Yes, again, it is not if a candidate was fired from a previous job, did horribly on an interview, or had bad references that he or she didn’t get the job. It is solely because of the use of “anyways”. That is definitely it.

          25. Yes. It can be researched and verified that many times the use of “anyways” during an interview was the direct cause of a candidate not receiving the job offer. Often the HR specialist had narrowed the many candidates down to two and when reviewing the videos, heard the word and made the decision based solely on that one flaw. Fact well known by many and especially among HR.

          26. I’ll have to say the dissection of the use of the english language can be slightly entertaining, however after more than a few minutes of this I’ve realized that spending more than 60 seconds reading obsessive/complusive english debates is a total waste of time. Off to more interesting commentary.

          27. what’s this all have to do with the price of beans in China?

          28. The fact that most people don’t care much about the correct use of English is another confirming factor in the observation that the continued dummying down of American is ongoing.

          29. That’s one of my personal “ignorance detectors”.

          30. you……are a stupid fk with little to do………. a friendless 90 year old…….perhaps angry you have outlived your one friend. One ray of hope for you tho – you will be dead soon……few 90’s in our population………

          31. Would be for me. I have sole responsibility and discretion over hiring and firing at my firm. Ours is a professional services firm with highly successful professional and executive clientele. We can’t have employees who don’t have acceptable language skills. Observer’s points are well taken. In a world where good jobs are becoming more scarce everyday, it would serve those who expect a good job well to polish up their grammar. BTW, we only accept hand-written resumes. If you can’t write legibly, we can’t use you.

          32. I bet your world is limited to your childhood neighborhoods and you have never been in a plane…typical close minded local troll…

          33. you know when I was a young pretend to know all…after an intellectual exchange with my uncle he used to tell me young man travel…I used to dismiss that…but not that I am grown and well travelled I fully understand what he meant…there is nothing you can say to a local…not open minded person…because they brain can go as far as their school teacher has tough them and the neighborhood corner convenience store…end of story…

          34. I thought this forum was about airline pilots? Are you an unemployed or frustrated teacher?
            FYI – which is the acronym for “for your information” – there are so many new types of dictionaries from urban to youth speak and even one on texting. In England, the English would tell you that “Americans” speak American, not the Queen’s English. They feel our so-called command of the English language is a joke!

          35. The fact remains after all analysis that the use of the word anyways is not spoken or written by the vast majority of the American public who wish to be thought of as being well educated or at least in touch of what is accepted as correct and the preferred use by the vast majority. Many online sites dealing with the use of English will verify this. Check it out.

          36. The use of dumbing is commonly used incorrectly as the correct word would be dummying.

          37. Your enthusiasm about grammar is great, and obviously you’re a fan of suggesting improvements to those who could benefit from them. In that spirit, I suggest that you consider being a bit more friendly in your delivery, so as to not appear rude and condescending (unless that’s your intention).

          38. I picture you wearing a bowtie, and becoming apoplectic if anything on your desk is out of place. Loosen up. This is not the Algonquin roundtable.

          39. Yep……it’s coming out of all of your orifices simultaneously and continuously…..try again.

          40. Now you’re wrong. It should be dumbing-down. It refers to lowering of educational standards with the result to make people ‘dumb’, not to make people dummies. OTOH, I suppose that could be argued as a distinction without a difference.

          41. Another thing-Your second sentence should be “I am only…”, not simply “only”. Your grammar and sentence structure is weird and incorrect. There was absolutely no reason for you to use ellipsis in that sentence. Stop judging people for the same exact things you are doing.

          42. what does any of this have to do with airplane safety? I think you are all trying to impress each other with you proper grammar crap, insulting some, humiliating others and offending most. Why can’t you just stay with the subject and leave it at that
            Guest: your “another thing” comment is just plain rude and disrespectful! Does it make you feel better by bashing others? Nobody is impressed.

          43. Really? I only have a high school education but will put my 2014 tax return up against yours anyways :->

          44. Typical response from someone who uses anyways…….was good only for a very brief belly laugh.

          45. …which goes along with the continued whining of the other half of America because they believe they were appointed to oversee the Internet. I’d rather be dumb than have a coronary every time someone on the Internet incorrectly uses a semicolon. Have a nice day, but I doubt that will happen.

          46. Hello….???
            To everyone who doesn’t “get it” about the use of anyways instead of anyway please read the response from those in HR and/or any hiring position  who have rejected job applicants solely because they said anyways during the job interview…….there had to be valid reasons to do so, not just on a whim, capisce?

          47. I agree that anyways is not a valid word because it is not in the dictionary, but it does seem to be more and more a culturally accepted word. A quick check on some of the BYU corpora indicates a 10:1 ratio of use of anyway to anyways on the global web-based corpus, but much less use of anyways in the corpus of Contemporary American English. I wonder if anyways will ever be culturally accepted to a point that it is added to the dictionary like ginormous, doh, and selfie. One can argue that language is driven by culture. In other words, grammar and lexicon is simply the accepted method of communication of the time by the majority. Do you accept these changes in language and welcome words such as ginormous, doh, and selfie. Would you accept the use of the word anyways if it were added to the dictionary based on cultural acceptance?

          48. ‘Anyways’ sounds more ignorant than any southern drawl. Way. Like yoos guys.

          49. If you want to be thought of as being a dummy then by all means keep using anyways so everyone who does not use it will know immediately what you are.

          50. It’s a good idea to look in the mirror before criticizing other people: your improper comma usage, while pedantically pontificating on PilotBob’s draconian malapropism, makes it sound to the rest of us like you really need to get a life.

          51. What a joke! Wonder why no one has presented anything that defends the use of anyways in place of the correct anyway? Where are all you highly educated responders now? Bring it!

          52. Putting on my gas mask……Fuming is emitting very strong stench fumes again and thus enters into the ranks of those
            who think the dictionary has no true authority anymore.

          53. This is the reason I keep my headphones on in flight, even if I am not listening to any music! I want to avoid any conversation with the boring, self righteous individuals that have me as a captive audience.

          54. You are only trying to side step the original issue of the incorrect use of the word anyways which is not a word and can be verified by checking many web sites. You know that you are wrong and can’t stand to be exposed so you try, unsuccessfully, to nullify my statements thereby confirming that you are the one who is sophomoric (you couldn’t even come up with the correct usage of sophomore in your futile attempt to describe me. Give up…..you have nothing more to say that could be of any intellectual use.

          55. As you can clearly see, there are many people who deliberately use improper grammar with abusive language which has absolutely nothing to do with the question. Everybody is calling observer a hypocrite, but I feel that they are misunderstanding. Many of his punctuation errors were mistakes that can easily be overlooked. Why do you judge him for simply stating the truth, when it is obvious?

          56. This may be the most intelligent post on this commentary string.

          57. You used parentheses incorrectly. You never used the ending one.

          58. The tragedy of this thread is that we can’t make out your sophisticated English accent in print.
            By the way, people like you make me thankful you can’t use a cell phone on a plane.

          59. Another fine example and confirmation of my observation that the dummying down of America continues unabated. Oh yes I can use a cell phone on a plane since I have no need for airlines. For many years I have flown my own plane to wherever I want to go.

          60. When you are having a conversation with someone do you interupt to correct that persons grammer? Do you interupt to tell the person that they sound uneducated? Are opinions less important than grammer? Respect and consideration should be more important than grammer.

          61. Depending on many varying factors, at times I will advise someone that their use of “anyways” is not a proper use of English but I try to do it in a kind, non judgmental way which often results in their thanking me for my input although I may not always succeed in the attempt to sugar coat the process in a way that is recognized and appreciated by the recipient.  I am appreciative when someone corrects my grammar and includes the proper explanation concerning the error while providing a correct example.  Exchange of thoughts in person, on the phone and /or on the internet  are done differently from one another.

          62. Thank you for your reply. I was directing my comment more to the others than you. However, I was doubtful that most of the others would recognize the rudeness of their comments.

          63. Do u even think about what you are going to say? There. Do u have something to say about my grammar? Well i want to say something about your vocabulary…. EXPAND YOUR KNOWLEDGE. You have been using the same words over and over

          64. Using different words to say the same thing may be appropriate when writing a book or article meant for publication. With Disqus such is not required plus using the same words often may be the most effective way to communicate a specific idea.

          65. It is not dummying down.

            “gerund or present participle: dummying
            create a prototype or mock-up of a book or page.
            “officials dummied up a set of photos””

          66. Paul, I would like to compliment your grammar, sentence structure, and punctuation, along with your actual choice of adjectives and modifiers.